i have been taking lower doses than when i started..and i have taken 18mg doses that feel stronger than 30mg doses...its very strange..this chemical is extremely complex

I´m taking mxe with some changa tonight, anyone know if the harmalas could cause any probs?

i would say that harmalas in the changa wont cause any problems..but i wouldnt add oral harmalas or anything...its crazy enough as is

also about the whole tolerance thing...ive taken mxe at least 30 times...sometimes back to back days..sometimes a few days a part...and i really havent noticed any tolerance issues...i could see tolerance building if you are taking a 100+mg per session..to reach the M-hole space..but i have personally found the lower doses are much more useful and not quite the drugged out mess that higher doses cause

this is just personal preference...i also DONT feel like this drug is escapist..i can see it being USED as an escape if thats your intention..but at lower doses i feel it can be used to immerse yourself in your own reality...it can be used to help figure out some life issues positively..and walk away feeling good about your thoughts and choices made during the experience

also for me the next day...i usually feel amazing...i feel very positive..i have motivation to work/clean/garden...and usually this feeling of excitement and happiness lasts for days afterwards...actually ive felt this way pretty much since i started taking it...

also one thing to consider...at the beginning of my mxe experimentation i was also testing my iboga TA..i only took it for a few days...once combining it with mxe...and this could possibly be affecting the experience positively as well..

I would be careful with repeated dosing back to back with MXE if it is anything like ketamine. I have personally met people that had some serious problems due to frequent ketamine use, such as ulcers and more serious bladder problems.

ive had 100mg of this stuff for about a month now, i still havnt gotten round to testing it out. think i will do soon though.
i wonder how long it will take for the gov to ban this substance aswell? i give it 12 months from around the time it starts to get popular which is around about now by the looks of it.

Jorkest, I think you may be an exception with tolerance/ or maybe the iboga/DMT is having an effect, because tolerance seems to hit everyone else, especially doing low doses, and from my experience MXE follows the same rules as all the other dissociatives, you develop tolerance and the tolerance remains, never completely going away even if you abstain for a long period of time. Also because of the potency of MXE, it cross tolerates other NMDA drugs, I used ketamine for the first time in 6 months and found no effect all the way up to 800mg... that's got to be MXE cross tolerance because no other drugs were used. I will say this though, tolerance didn't hit me at first, it did take a while...and as I was writing about before, different aspects become tolerant at different times, probably because different reward centres down-regulate at different points, the only aspect that remains for me is an almost cocaine like effect that is slightly speedy and the bits I like require quite high doses. I don't think you'd hit tolerance if you were doing <20mg frequently.

Also I don't know if escapist is the right word for the drug, but I do find myself thinking about doing positive stuff more than actually doing it, and the doses that are effective for me make it difficult to do the kind of work I'm interested in, namely computer programming and music production... that being said I have made some breakthroughs in both fields whilst on the drug. I just can't keep up the work for a very long time and there is an inconsistency that is difficult to manage... the issue with escapism only manifests itself (in my opinion) when you go off the drug, because my attitude/life returned to normal pretty quickly and life seems harder off it in a relative kind of way... by the end of 7 days I found myself wanting to "escape" with MXE... also I like the escapist doses, where I just want to be on my own for the night. The drug makes it easier to face hard stuff when you're off the drug, so it's kinda paradoxical in many ways... though paradoxical would be a good word to describe many aspects of MXE.

In regards back to back dosing, from personal experience there are concerns with bladder problems, but the dosage is so much lower/potency so much higher that the problem is nowhere near as bad as ketamine... I'm sure if you did enough of it you'd be hurt, but doing low doses like Jorkest is, it's not going to cause harm... you're looking a doses much much lower than ketamine, and we don't even know if it does have the same toxic metabolites. Dehydration is a problem and can lead to physical problems if you're not rehydrated in an effective manner. Back to back high sessions has never been desirable, but I can see people doing low doses daily... actually it often crosses my mind that very low doses daily could be a good replacement for weed or antidepressants or alcohol or caffeine, nicotine, any of the daily usage drugs.. and my use of MXE has effectively stopped all my use of alcohol/marijuana/caffeine.

I have stripped back my MXE habit, I haven't done it in 7 days but I felt terrible at day 4, only starting to feel OK now. Actually from the way I felt/feel (and from other anecdotal reports) I'm starting to see an opioid like physical dependence may be happening, something to watch out for.

I've done it 5 times now and I am very interested in taking more but it is so non-compulsive that the tests that I am doing with some MDMA-alternatives (Mephedrone, Flephedrone, Methylone and MDAI, testing last single-drug test this weekend doing once 1 a week for the last 2 months, combos are next but need to reseach before that.) have occupied my time and I feel like I need to take my next methoxetamine test from sober and unlike with the others where I have craved testing the effects so bad that I took it a couple of times on weekdays and sundays I am just patiently waiting for the right available time

Anyway I'm rambling.
First one was 15mg then 5mg over 4 hours later which brought back the peak completely. I did take some MDPV during the peak of the first which definately effected the experience going through the MDPV comedown so that may be why. The experience was unlike GHB or DXM at low-medium doses with a buzz and very little trippyness but very odd. Couldn't really describe the feelingly much on that one.

Second was just a low 3mg taken 2:30 before bed, the effect were clear but mild with some significant appetite stimulation. The sleep was fine but possibly effected because I was less-refreshed upon waking.

Third was taken on a methylone comedown 10mg, then 5mg more 1:20 later. On that I experienced the most magnificent CEVs of adventures, lands and entities.They were not as colorful, super-fast or crisp as high-dose-DMT but the content, beauty and complexity were equal to a maybe 20-25mg DMT smoked.
Even on my highest dose of LSD (3 strong tabs) I did not have such entity-filled story-CEVs. Curious to what a higher dose would do, though I've heard dose can sometimes be irrelevant.

Fourth was 10mg and though the CEVs were very vague at this dose the mental effects were very odd with my emotions being not that I've felt before. On psychedelics (Phenethylamines and Tryptamines) though thoughts are massively altered I've found that emotions: Happiness, Sadness, Fear/Panic, Anger while felt in greater intensity and at odd times comepared to sober they remain identifiable for the most part. On MXE I haven't really been able to describe them its kinda like Quantum emotions and Quantum thoughts with the difference Sadness and Happiness being unclear or thinking things are logical and illogical at the same time.

Fifth was another 2nd-style low-and-before-bed (4mg 2:15 before sleep). This time there was again appetite stimulation but on the other I was eating sweet food earlier and I craved savory food. This time it was reversed. I woke up very tired so basically I concluded that though I can sleep on MXE it makes my sleep less effective.

SO ya, very excited to try it in the future. Pretty sure I'll make sure that I have a sitter for at least the next few cause it's just so weird!

I've got to be honest, though maybe it's not my position to say.. [because everyone is different] but I really really really dislike methylated cathinones, the ones you've listed here Mephedrone, Flephedrone, Methylone, MDPV are all my most hated of drugs, I've seen them cause so much damage around me, the UK cathinone craze was so full of casualties, I saw them up close because I guess I'm in a pretty heavy rave/drug scene... everyone thinks they're evil now, but thought they were great when they first started using them... people becoming fully dissociated, people with nervous tremors, nerve damage, massive depression, my own permanent chronic post nasal drip + those were for me by far the most addictive drugs I've ever used, I now smell them on peoples sweat from a far... the problem with them is that they take more than they give and I think they also remove your alarm bells so you end up getting more fucked up than you realise.... I know you don't need a downer with these things but I had to say something because I normally go out of my way to tell people not to take those drugs, they're super sketchy... just thinking about methylated cathninones makes me want to be sick... anyway, sorry about that, I just think they're so bad, and I'd never touch them again.... MDAI is cool/friendly, MXE is obviously a new favourite of mine... both of those seem to promote good behaviour and healthy mindsets... but meth cathniones they have more in common with crystal meth than most people realise (especially mephedrone, look at that structure) and they are largely responsible for RC's having a bad reputation.

Also I've tried 6-apb and although it's not a cathnione, it's a benzofuran analog, it has the same downsides as them.. and after I used it I found out it was invented by the same guy, surprise surprise, left me feeling very beat up for 3 days after... I mean all those drugs are proper raver drugs but they just don't lend themselves to responsible usage and they are very animalistic, turn men into a step above caveman.. but people get into them for the euphoria and because they cure shyness and make you talkative, but it ain't worth it... I never even did that much and I'm still not over them. Maybe if you can have the self restraint to only use them once in a blue moon, unfortunately most people don't.

also q21q21, I'm very surprised that you've had entity encounters on MXE.... that's got to be the involvement of the other drugs.

Does mxe go hand in hand with music? simples

Some of my most powerful MXE experiences have been with music... though I wouldn't say it goes hand in hand with music, it makes you embody really any experience... I've described it as "becoming" music, but to be honest, it's an extremely complex dissociative so your mileage my vary, and I think if you're asking this question you need to read up on it more, there is a lot to it.

Totally get that. They are all bad-news-bears when abused but I really don't have an addictive personality, curiosity drives the vast majority of things I chose to take with "try to re-live that amazing experience" playing a tiny role if any.

After testing methylone alone for the second time I was not impressed with it at all and upon reading my previous reports I am surprised at how I can convince myself that many of the experiences were a lot better than they were. This whole testing started cause MDMA doesn't work on me... well it produces mass distractability and dysphoria though it depletes my seretonin like the Methylone, flephedrone and mephedrone.

This is atypical and curious which drove the motivation to test and I've experienced the same dysphoric highs on psychedelics before even my favorite LSD (once of the 7 times) and these have helped me experience new things.

Curiously only Shrooms or LSD MDMA does work briefly with euphoria and a small dose (25mg) methylone while on 4-aco-DMT created an amazing experience of euphoria not experienced on even 250mg methylone.

MDPV is interesting cause it's effects are only good when I'm on a comedown and they suck and create mass redosing urges when taken from sober or on the peak of things. If taken on the comedown it is calming and no cravings are felt and redosing seldom happens.

Anyway I know that these chems can be terrible but in 2 months I've broken the once-a-week twice only and I am thankful to have experienced those and maybe they will work with other psychelics well or maybe repeating the 4-aco-DMT and methylone won't be as good as I remember.

Anyway rambling... took 10mg MXE on the methylone comedown earlier.

^ alright dude, well just remember it doesn't take a lot to screw ya, I never abused them by the way, they still screwed me, I did less a gram of each in less than a couple of months and I've used that phrase "I don't have any addictive personality" before, in my experience everyone does, its just different for different people, those drugs left me with voices in my head saying "get some more... get some more... get some more...", it created an addiction worse than opiates for me... and I never actually gave in to the cravings, I still regret ever having taken them - I mean it left me with permanent harm. People that kept on taking them over the year all got severely fucked by them... also don't forget that point I made about it starting out well, then turning on you, you basically blow your load a la crystal meth on your first go...anyways, I'm sure you'll be fine dude, be careful, best of luck with that.

Ok, was gonna wait to give full report when finished first 1/2g, but couldn't resist, the stuff is quite awesome apparently. It's a bit long but the last of it is great.

First night, Mixed 120 +/- 10 into 24ml of water in a shot glass. I was anxious to take the stuff, but someone wanted to smoke a joint first, so I politely waited. After we each consumed 4ml or about 20mg of mxe. Was watching some shows on the come on, and noticed a creeping tranquility around the 20 minute mark. Everything was FINE, to say the least. Got up to get a drink and noticed a good degree of disassociated motor skills. There were light waves that felt very good, warm, but not like mescaline. My head was in a very pleased state, laughing and fun. Alone in the room later, music was awesome, and mind was informing self that all was well enough and beautiful. Listened to tunes for a couple hours and wrote some thoughts. Ideas were like we are all digitalized images of something bigger. And other small subtle pleasing things.

The next morning, around 12hrs later, 5ml(24~mg) was taken from the shot glass. I got in the shower and started feeling great, nice loose power and acceptance. Got out and had another 2ml (about 32~mg over an hour) Felt great, just warm vibes. Went and played tennis after spending some time dancing a bit. Later at home, planted stuff in the garden, listened to Alice in Chains, real happy. Around 4pm felt pretty baseline. At 930pm decided was soon to do some more. Not out of physical need, but of lack of anything else interesting. At this point I had noticed some gas and slight heartburn, but nothing distracting enough to stop me from taking more. Took around 35mg, and an hour later about 15 more. Watched some anime. Felt great. The insight of the show seemed incredible. Thought I had full motor control but kicked the shit out of the dog bowl. The shows started getting confusing. Played some old skool ps1 games, they were fun but required too much concentration at this dose. Sleep didn't exactly come easy. Begin to notice more CEV of a faint white/black sort. Dreams but only right before waking, it's odd.

3rd day now, Next morning, around 11, 30mg or so is taken via water again. Lots of outside energy, chi kung, dancing, playing etc. Just fun. Later, 2 hrs, had another 10mg~ Watched TV, relaxed. Noticed more social, more expressive of these peaceful all is just fine thoughts, but a little lacking in articulation. Well enough understood though. Around 2pm had another 10-15mg. Felt general well being, loose, with confident thoughts. Began to notice time dilation, feels like things are moving fast at one piint, then twenty minutes later like damn thats it really. Skipped tonight so could take a nice big dose tomorrow.

The 4th day, the psychedelic experience. I woke up around 930, as I did both previous morning, getting rough sleep around 5 hours. Did not feel tired much though. Did some Chi kung and yoga, and decided that it was a beautiful day and would be a shame to miss the opportunity for a bigger dose. I snorted 4 lines about 15mg each, over 4 minutes. The flavor was slight, metallic, and numbing a bit. The come up was strong and enjoyable. I made a phone call quickly after ingesting and noticed I was becoming more intoxicated by the second. Body felt great, and mind was ecstatic, removing itself from normal routine reality. I layed back and turned on Dark Side of the Moon as I let pure mania overtake me. I wrapped in a blanket on my lounge chair, and rolled back and forth to the music, with delightful peaceful thoughts, they had been building over the last few days, built on ideas like we are all gonna die, young and old, some will burn, some heads will roll, some will fall blah blah so it is here. The fight between 'us' and 'them' is what signifies our place/time, its cool to ride that wave. Choose the side that fits you and do what you do. Was hollering some, and just releasing massive vocal energy. After an hour of this, jumped up and danced and stretched heavily to more of the same. A lot of vibrant and accepting greatful energy. Manic excitement to be alive. The bones the muscles, the atoms of construction, blowing me away for me to be a part of the show.

Sat down with feet under my ass, and began swaying and moving to more music. Decided the spice should be smoked as there was a pipe with a good bit of residue within reach. I took 3 good hits over 2 or 3 minutes. Reassured that there was really nothing I was doing that was gonna harm me. I felt fantastic. Visuals were slight rushes of colors and arms. Dancing and breathing were incredibly powerful and fun. After half hour or more of this. Got up and took a shower. Was well enough for that. Just felt rocking for a few hours after. Bright. Like if more people could relax their mind and take something like this once or twice a week, they could make some of tha changes they want, there is so much to be appreciated. Wizard thoughts man. Magic. 4 hours after ingestion though there was a comedown observed. Confusion and lack of ability to express self was annoying for about an hour and a half. Just couldn't keep track like my glowing mind wanted to. This was most obvious about an hour after redosing 10mg.

So that's it so far. Subtle, powerful, very pleasing yes yes. A little short maybe. When re-dosing, the euphoria might still be there, might not, but time seems to confuse me. 20-25mg very pleasant, nice thoughts, 40-50mg, starts pleasant but too much confusion. 60mg gets strong and psychedelic. Next time will see if can subdue strong feeling, as they were just let completely go. Lots and lots of vocal and body power. fun. Also drank a few beers about 8 hours after ingestion on 4th day, noticed no problems myself. Was quite exhasuted that day as to be expected. CEV before sleep were kinda strong. pulling.

Escapist, not sure. Daily use for replacement of other habits yes, but best if one is occupied so not wanted to do half the day or more. That's not desired with this. Mental therapy, I think quite possibly, 4 or 5 times a week, for about a month, then off, I think might give one real positive results. Not sure if high or low doses preferred. Friend has taken all low doses, 4 days, and enjoyed themsleves very much. Meditated on a rock in the river at dusk and said it was just amazing watching the wood come to life. This was on a 20mg dose spread over 30 minutes, 10+10.

Thanks to all the people posting their observations, I'm glad I was encouraged to get this, it's been quite nice. Got about 120mg left and not sure if want to find a hole space (never done ket so not sure what to expect) or just take another 3 or 4 days nice and easy morning or night.

^ ok, first of all, I've got to say straight up - I don't encourage daily use, this is just an idea that crosses my mind, and when I say low dose daily I mean low dose, meaning the absolute minimum dose and only as a replacement not as a supplement... also don't forget you only get a limited time with these drugs, none of them last forever, once they've done their thing, that's it - over, so don't blow your load... it's normal to get carried away with a new thing and there is always a honeymoon period... but this last post is definitely describing the effects at the high level, and repeated use over days, don't forget this hangs around for a long time, it accumulates over a 24 hr period.... although the physical stuff is pretty amazing, almost supernatural, some weird yoga/chi shit going on [I've done a full blown headstand whilst in this headspace and that still seems impossible for me]... I'm not sure that state is a healthy state to be in, I feel the roughest the following day.. the physical exertion is extreme. and I can't help but notice it's similarities to the PCP physical effects.. you've heard the stories of people on PCP needing 4 cops to hold them down? don't forget this is a PCP analog... also you may get the idea that it can't hurt you, but I know for certain it can, this one is not one to push to the limits, even more so than other drugs, if you find yourself in any way uncomfortable territory, then you're close to the edge... I'm gonna attach my latest trip report on BL, regarding an MXE causality that I witnessed with my own 2 eyes, it was a fucking nightmare - just be on the safe side, don't jump into higher doses - take it SLOW - anybody reading my posts for guidance needs to bare in mind I am super tolerant to NMDA antagonists:

I had a pretty interesting weekend involving a range of dissociatives. I was at a music festival, on Friday I did AMT/MXE, was great... on the saturday I did over 100mg of MXE, a gram of ketamine and I did 15mg of 3MeoPCE at the same time, oh and about 30 ballons all in the same night... it was good except I felt quite empty at the end of the night... and unfortunately the majority of experience was spent in a ridiculous queue to get into Aphex Twin who ended up being a let down... this was my first time mixing significant doses of ketamine/MXE and certainly the first time getting 3MeoPCE involved... I enjoyed the experience but the 3MeoPCE had quite a physically cold feeling along with some mental loopiness...it's kinda hard to describe but the experience was interesting, felt safe enough... I've done larger doses of 3MeoPCE before and I don't really find it that similar to MXE, obviously more so than ketamine, but it's quite different, crazier, I've had fun with it in a maniac kind of way, but it is so much less lucid, I've had moments on it where I've forgotten who I was, where I was, etc and periods where I could only focus on 3 objects at once... be it people, places, things, only 3 in a triangle... very hard to describe... I've also had moments of sinister paranoia on 3MeoPCE, where all faces looked sinister....but 3meoPCE does have that warm blanket effect, it's just all the mental stuff that is different... and this oddly cold feeling....

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Unfortunately, the weekend ended really quite badly... someone who was doing MXE for the first time took too much, he was helping himself to lines without anyone knowing... pushed it way too far... ended up in a completely distant state, it was really terrifying, he was lucky he was indoors with friends because he was acting so bizarrely he would've got sectioned.... and I'll be honest, the thought of sectioning him crossed my mind, it was a terrible experience... he basically became super unresponsive, but still moving around, eyes wide open, he couldn't respond to questions, just starring at people, then when he would speak it would be words repeated, at one point he was spinning his head like the exorcist.... this went on for hours, we thought he might not come out of it....and he had to be coaxed back to reality slowly... it was bizarre, freaky, the scariest drug experience I've ever had... someone losing their mind right in front of eyes..... it was especially annoying because we couldn't have been clearer about the dangers of the drug and we were very stringest who we gave it to and we didn't give it to him.. he was taking it from one of friends supplies, who had left it on the table.. it turns out this guy has had issues with drug binges & mental issues before and we didn't know anything about this until afterwards.... I think he must've had about 150mg over the 3 days, but this was without any tolerance/sleep... he told us he sneaked about 6 or 7 lines when he came out of it... really foolish, but this is drug fiends for you. I gave him a serious guilt trip the next day, I'm sure he's learned a lesson.

Anyway, yeah, he finally came out of it at about 8am on Sunday, thank fuck, he had a very interesting experience, he said he was watching the whole weekend as if it was a movie, he could hear everything that was being said to him but he felt as though he consciousness wasn't in that reality, the freakiest thing was that he would watch himself and his weekend in a loop and that it would go forwards and then backwards... must've been quite terrifying.... I'm not sure if this was really a psycotic experience, it sounds like he got into a very deep hole and couldn't get out of it... I found it interesting how the experience sounded a lot like ibogaine, based on recent ideas/discussion... but what a fucking a idiot, I'm glad I didn't give it to him, and that's he alright now, but just let be a warning to anyone who wants to push it beyond it's limits and/or leaves MXE lying around.... I don't understand how he kept on going, because alarm bells must've been ringing, he just wasn't listening to them.

Another thing I've learned is that it can be quite odd doing MXE in groups, because everyone is different and where as I am tolerant to dissociatives, some people will be tripping full blown and yet look exactly the same and are completely respondant/on the ball/ you'd never know they were tripping... and in this case it actually took us a while to realise he had lost the plot...

So anyway, the weekend was 33% amazing/ 33% let down / 34% horrific nightmare.

In my opinion if you're getting any kind of open eye visuals then you're in the too high zone...and it will still be in your system the following day... and you can't do that day after day, it's not healthy.

all this just reinforces my desire to never touch mxe..I guess I somewhat understand why some find exploring it interesting, but I dunno, sounds kinda sketchy to me to be taking it repeatedly.I can see some potential as a form of one time therapy I guess, or more infrequent use. The idea of taking something that has a sort of limit to how many times it can work on me is kinda iffy..I would tend to wonder just what the stuff actaully did ot my nervous system? Does this really happen with NMDA antagonists after a period of time?..also the ammount and frequency people are using this stuff with this whole chemical families track record is alarming and makes me think addiction is taking hold. People talk about dosing this stuff for days at a time...I dont want to judge people but personally I wouldnt risk my health by taking so much of something we know nothing about. This isnt LSD or DMT or psilocin we are taking about. I know ketmaine isnt really neurotoxic, but alot of people get wrecked with the stuff and fuck themselves up physically with heavy use..I dunno how similar these RC analogues are..

I think I will just stick to my origional plan now and wait for my iboga experience.

Yeah I don't really understand your perspective on this... I don't like how you say it "sounds kinda sketchy", you said that same thing on the AMT thread, you don't seem to be looking at this the same way I do and your reasoning just seems wrong to me. The reason why NMDA drugs have a limit has many good reasons and they're no different to other drugs, weed does the same thing, opiates do the same thing, loads of traditional drugs do that- all of them do to a certain extent. I mean you say its "kinda iffy", are you suggesting that drugs operate on you in some kind of deliberate fashion? you're assuming this means damage, I see it more as doing all it can do for you, then you're done, I see the NMDA drugs as a kind of defrag of your mind, or a reindexing and the bulk of that work is done rather quickly.

Then you're wondering what these drugs are doing to the nervous system, I think you've wrongly got the idea in your head that LSD/DMT/Psilocin don't have the same concerns, the scientific understanding of those drugs is also very weak, they have long term usage history which suggest you will live, but you're fooling yourself if you think science has shown those drugs to be completely safe- you can bet they effect your nervous system, basically you have very little understanding of what DMT does to your mind/body, nobody really knows... and I'm sure you'll say something like "people in the amazon have been doing it forever", and they look fine, but they could all have damage without even realising it -for all you know DMT could be like mental chemotherapy.

I've personally known people who have lost their mind on LSD, I've personally had major mental problems from doing DMT, I've gotten anxiety from mushrooms... you're doing the same kind of experimentation that we're doing... you've just convinced yourself it's in a completely different ball game - when it isn't. I also don't like how you rampantly speculate on things you clearly don't understand/have no experience with yourself. This family of drugs does not have a negative track record... that's just nonsense, even the problems with ketamine have not been fully confirmed yet... and the 3meothoxies certainly don't have a track record - so where's this negative track record?.

I can tell you the reason why I do RC's is because I'm interested in new developments of drugs, I don't believe the old stuff is better.. long term effects have not been established on any of the popular drugs. Doing MXE is risky to a certain extent because it hasn't been around long, but there are NO REASONS to believe it is harmful as yet... there are perfectly good reasons for trying it... did you not catch that bit about it sharing the same characteristics as iboga?? for me it's destroyed my addiction to other drugs, it's also improved my mind and body... you do realise these positive drugs may exist and in that case, people need to try them to find out. MXE is a designer drug, made by man for man, it's not a side effect or accident of a drug like LSD, alcohol, weed, mushrooms, etc. DMT would be a side effect drug if it weren't naturally occurring in our body. That says something about safety and understanding, the MXE molecule was crafted to behave a certain way and therefore it's side effects are somewhat predictable.

I've posted an experience with someone doing WAY TOO MUCH in their first go, if you take too much acid or too much dmt, or too many mushrooms in a similar fashion, I think you'd have far worse problems + this happens all the time. It doesn't take a genius to see how this works. This was a new experience and the fear of the unknown is what made the experience so harrowing, it turned out fine though - surely nobody thinks it's impossible to take too much of something.

In regards addiction, if you'd been following the thread, you'd have realised the reason why people take it so much is because they can, it's not because they can't help themselves... similar to how people consume caffeine or marijuana, or alcohol...addiction is a concern with anything good.. the effects are not debilitating like LSD/Mushrooms/DMT, and usage seems to encourage a better lifestyle, with no negative consequences... what we find so interesting about this drug is that there doesn't seem to be a reason not to do it, you seem to be looking for any excuse to be weary of it... I'm kinda blown away that you come to that conclusion after reading this thread...

Nobody is trying to get you to take it Fractal. "all this just reinforces my desire to never touch mxe" is just an odd way to open a paragraph, you must have colored glasses on. You obviously have an issue with man made chemicals, but to me that is absurd. The risks are not as high as you think they are, we ingest harmful chemicals all the time, its too much of a harmful chemical when you get into problems. Water, Salt, Vitamin C, they are all fine in small doses.. We're going through the motions of testing it and reporting on it so that others can find out about it... you say we know nothing about it... actually I know a lot about it and this notion that you'd like to know what it's doing to your body/mind, that's just a pipe dream because we know hardly anything about the mechanism of action for so many common drugs that have been around for a long time... we just don't know enough about the brain and we don't have enough methods of testing for physical effects. Basically all chemicals have risks, whether they're natural or RC, or been around for a while, it's a calculated risk... FYI there is a very real risk of death on iboga. Obviously we're not dropping dead from MXE and there are no immediate problems, and that's usually the height of scheduled drug testing by the way... nothing is fully understood.

Stick to your original plan, RC's are not for you.. but the whole concept of people taking RCs involves risks, I honestly don't think you should be commenting on an RC thread because you're just stating the obvious... you don't honestly think we're all stupid and don't understand the risks being taken?? all I can tell you is that the calculated risks are not as big as you make out... we know what we're doing and for me it's been worth it, for a few shit RC's that I regret taking, you get genuine gems like MXE (also to a lesser extent MDAI, AMT, 4ACODMT, the 2C's, etc) which made the whole experiment worthwhile. The RC game is a bit like cutting edge technology, you get the latest and greatest thing but you end up being the bug tester... but the bugs usually aren't show stoppers and ALL chemicals have bugs.

Personally, Ive used it only twice 3 weeks apart, the biggest dose being 45mg insufflated, and it was very impressive on both occasions.I think that infrequent dosing is the way foward, as the messages it imparts I feel could become quite staid if used too often.I like dissociatives but they all feel like theyre more toxic then the traditional psychs and with such infrequent use ones NMDA recptor function certainly dont feel adversely affected.

For me, its more of an ilicit encounter scenario as opposed to a honeymoon...... and its always a pleasure to meet up.In some ways, less is more with this compound.

Yeah, I was afraid of something like this



It's too easy to come back to and hit again, without real need to. And there is apparently a very fine line between no increased effects and borderline psychosis. I read a report on shroomery the other day where someone 'holed' out and it sounded borderline tempting/scary. I've read here the 60mg doses and thought it'd be pretty safe. Yeah, I admit the frequent use was irresponsible, just pushing it a little to see how much it would give. Now I'll lay off for a week or two, and with the above mentioned, probably be glad once it's gone. I can see how my manic state the other day could have been pushed and gone straight weirdland.

Unfortunately I am comfortable enough with these things. I took a lot of DXM pills when I was 15 (over 30 triple C, yes I know thats horrible on the body), and I experienced states of ego loss, smoked pcp and went straight to the ground on an overdose, was out and stupid for hours. I am a heavy guy I guess, I dunno, the doses I took before the fourth day were not seeming very strong. But the idea here is that RCs are a dark zone, gotta be careful pushing it up. All these RCs seem to have rabbit holes that get very dark very quick.

Also, reading about the teen death related to 2c-e over the spring break, really reminded me, you dont know what youre fucking with, take it slow. Think I might stick to the classics after this. Was really interesting though, the dance and all, but don't think a lot truly gained, just seems kinda hedonistic.

I can see/agree that dissociatives come off as way more toxic, and with frequent use, seem to eat a persons brain.

All drugs have a too high dose - obviously. The problem with new drugs is that we don't know what they are yet, that's why you've got to go slow.

Also I don't think they are necessarily more toxic, it's the nature of the usage that is the problem... you're inclined to do it more often and that takes its toll... but if you did MDMA 4 days in a row, that would feel more toxic... you can't even do DMT/LSD/Mushrooms that often because you get tolerant so quickly (nod to why tolerance develops Fractal). People do crystal meth/heroin daily even though it's eating them up, but that's because it's super addictive.