swim was wondering why there's no RC suppliers for ald-52 and others lysergic derivatives.Here in europe for example there isn't an analog law in all country,swim country hasn't any analog law afaik..so he could buy it without problems
swim doesn't know what EU countries have analogs law,UK has,but swim country not.

oh it woudn't be a precursors problem couse almost every RC is produced using different controlled precursors

Over the fall I remember one company selling some. I think it was Eth-LAD but that is the only one that I have ever seen and they are actually gone now.

Perhaps the reason is the unwanted attention that anything related to LSD brings whereas 2c's, tryptamines and cathinones aren't as hot(though in the last case that is changing).

Also the precursors for such compounds AFAIK are far more difficult to obtain or at least somewhat so.

My guess is that the synthesis of many analogues of LSD require the illegal synthesis of LSD as a starting point, and most labs aren't willing to risk it, considering law enforcement would be aware that anyone selling an analogue is most likely producing LSD at some point along the production chain.

Owsley Stanley (Tim Scully's guru) said that " No-one has ever made ALD-52 except Hoffman. It has to be made from pure LSD at a yield of only 50% and turns into LSD the minute it is dissolved in water- only a complete moron would even try it, and the apparatus required is special"

As for sunshine
"Prior to Sunshine a few hundred yellow tabs were made up with a little STP added to the acid, but that chemical was deemed to be no good even mixed, and all the subsequent (orange) pills were just acid. I did not follow this too closely as I was under indictment at the time and did not need any further trouble".

Source: Personal communication (2005) and posted on Shroomery, 2005.

LSD is illegal to possess, buy, sell, or produce in Belgium without government clearance. (thanks D) (Last updated Jul 22 2009)
-erowid

Fucking rad, think that why there is so much lsd from the Netherlands?

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yeah swim didn't remember that ald is produced from lsd with low yeld too..
so nosense to do it from lsd and sell it as an RC at low prices and a very little number of people that know about it

ALD synths requires LSD at some point. Any RC carrier that has it is gonna get a hell of a lot more attention than most others, and that is NOT what they or the rc community wants.

I dont think their will ever be a lsd analogue on the open market.

Don't be so sure, I know an RC shop which sells dermorphine, a strong opioid (30x as powerful as morphine) active at 100uG IV, so I wouldn't
be surprised to see eth/pro/al-lad sold in european rc shops in the future.

And there is probably a way to synth these without lsd as a precursor, someone just has to find a new way to synth nor-LSD.

LSM-775 sounds interesting. Wouldn't doubt that this one made it to the open market.

Even scarier compounds like bromadol might soon be available.

Geez, ok maybe it will be then. Opiate rc's could kill the rc market pretty quick though imo.

So producing ALD 52 seems like something one would only do when he/she has a rediculous amount of LSD lying around and is curious as to it's effects.

BTW is it me or are those RC supplying companies nothing but trouble to the Entheogenic community?
How long will it take before the war on drugs-warriors blow this up all over the news and give the Entheogenic community yet MORE bad press?

Research Chemicals with valuable therapuitic and spiritually enlightening effects would do much more good if they were produced and
consumed in private circles, for the exploration of consciousness and spiritual healing, not for commercial gain.

It depends on how you'd like to define 'entheogenic community', and how exclusive you'd like that title to be.

Research chemicals are all over the news quite often, it doesn't seem to have any effect on how people view drug users.

The problem with producing research chemicals in private circles and consuming them within private circles is that qualified chemists are not easy to come by, let alone willing chemists. They are inherently produced in private circles initially, usually universities, but once they have been documented they are typically produced in bulk in China and distributed all over the world. Someone does work to bring the chemical to you, I wouldn't feel bad about reimbursing somebody for creating such new and novel compounds, even if they were produced in a private circle I was a part of. Synthesis is quite an involved process and to imagine someone would just do it for the heck of it and distribute it for free is kind of a pie in the sky idea if you ask me.

Also, the wide-scale distribution of these chemicals allows more data to be made available about their relative safety fairly quickly, whereas if they were contained within private circles this data may take quite a long time to be made available.