MXE + Alcohol is probably best avoiding but I haven't had terrible experiences with it... I think getting drunk and MXE is worse than a few drinks. I think getting drunk + MXE + weed is even worse.

I think there is a similar kinda headspace as LSD, I'm not that experienced with acid but there are definite similarities, I get the same kind of profound insight and introspection. Obviously not visually the same.

Update on addiction, gotten worse, last week I did it 4 times, now I'm making a concerted effort to quit for a few weeks, saving it for a festival. It's really quite seductive, not a typical addiction, don't get cravings or anything, really the problem is the lack of negative effects, there has been no incentive not to do it, and no negative repercussions with my life, things have actually been better and I'm still doing everything I'm supposed to do. I just don't want to push it until it screws me. Like other disassociatives, it's now showing diminishing returns, and I've been upping doses to regain magic, not a good habit.

I did it 4 times last week, but I wouldn't say I was addicted to it. When I first extracted DMT I probably would be doing it 4+ times a day even. I know the duration of DMT is shorter, but I think with MXE I'm in a bit of a curious phase as I can be with any new substance I have abundant access to. I'm only really doing high doses in the future as I find the insight far more profound and I don't think I could fit into my day to day life in that headspace. Maybe if I was using a lot of small doses it would be different, though I don't find them anywhere near as worth while.

I actually think it has an anti-addicting effect on other things. I've been drinking much less for example. As a lot of the lessons I have learned from this stuff have had a very reinforcing effect on my personality, I feel less stressed and therefore feel the need to escape much less.

oh yeah, I did jungle DMT (made with your extraction technique Jorkest, thanks for that) not far off the peak of MXE... and yeah, it was pretty amazing... I can't remember much but I remember entities spinning my consciousness around, and it was really cool how the visual space of MXE ("visual" may not be the right word, mental imagery, feels visual but you can't see much, purple sponginess) mixed with the stretchy hyper oscillating DMT space, really liked it... felt quite hot after, got a bit of a sweat on... also I've done changa on AMT/MXE, that was great too.

When I said I did it 4 times last week, I meant I've been doing it 4 times a week, 4 all night sessions a week. I think you're fine in the curious phase, clearly I'm well over that... I've done it now over 50 times in the last 6 months (I was a tester) and the tide is definitely turning, it's not the same thing it was in the early days. I don't do small doses, it's been sessions the whole time. a DMT addiction is nothing like a dissociative addiction, you can't even compare the 2... DMT 4 times a day is nothing in comparison...also DMT's effect is to push you away the more you do it... there is a magnitude of danger difference, you can become psychotic in a heartbeat. I've had several different addictions. I've had moments on MXE recently where things looked very bad, was scary. There is an arc of dissociative behaviour and you've got to be careful, once you're out of the curious phase, you'll have to watch it, reading from recent accounts and my own personal experience, these things turn on you in a bad way and because of the lack of negative effects, you don't see it coming. I've been writing about the anti-addicting effects myself, quitting marijuana, other things and it's been positive, but this happens with other dissociatives as well, they're seductive for this very reason but they inevitably turn on their users. I don't think MXE is any different. Not to discredit it, just don't abuse it and you'll be fine. By the way, 4 times a week is too much, if you keep on doing that, it will hurt you, I can almost guarantee it. Also having an abundant access can be another problem. Do it for a while, then ease off, or don't, just my 2 pence for the thread.

Yeah I see what you mean.

I only did it 4 times last week for experimenting and circumstance. One low dose, one large dose, testing the oral route and one session with friends. I'm certainly not going to make a habit of it, as the only time I get to do it are in the evenings and it messes with my sleep.

ive been finding that at first i was doing it a lot..now i try to get at least 3 days in before i try it again..and yes it is quite seductive..but not overpowering at all...i can see how it could develop into a problem..but just keep your wits about you and yes...dont over do it...

ive also found that ive been taking SMALLER doses...15-20mg range seems to be about perfect for a night cap after a full day...i find the headspace great for thinking about neat stuff..such as time travel...it allows you to keep track of the loops that form when dealing with time travel..ive gotten quite a few neat insights about it..

plus yes..my life has been doing great..no real negative side effects..except for the occasional tiredness the next day...

So I'm almost 2 hours into my first experience and it very nice.

I've heard (or maybe read in this thread) that there are 3 dose/uses.
Low for relaxation.
Medium for a good fun trippy time.
High for psychedelic experiences.

I took 15mg orally and the onset was much faster than expected, within 8 minutes the effects were very obvious. The dose seems to be right between low and medium. The effects climb very gently almost sneakily.

I am experiencing interesting visual distortions. Unlike on most psychedelics SWIM has done the "shifting" or motion of objects does not occur greatest in the mid and outer peripheral vision but much closer to the inner periphery and in the focused area. No CEVs at this dose though.
Mentally it's similar to GHB but less disorienting for the strength of the effects and feel very nice. Euphoric seems the wrong word to use... it's nice though.

It's almost that it is stimulating but relaxing at the same time. Right now it seems like it is shifting into a different phase than on the come-up. I've experienced this on single tabs of LSD where the first 2 hours are just a buzz and there isn't a lot of major change in the mind but then I start thinking about the come-up and compare things and then super super analytical thoughts come and come and come.

Report back later.

Edit:
So at T=+4:43
while the effects were still clear but not peaking anymore I took 5mg more just out of curiousity and currently (almost 2 hours after that) the effects are pretty much EXACTLY what I would have expected if I took 20mg to being with. This is really odd. It is nice and pleasant, quite trippy and... cool but it is just so unexpected.

It's like as if 20 minutes after a DMT breakthrough I took a small hit and was blasted further into hyperspace than the original hyperspace dose!

This stuff is really intersting!

mmmm... not quite... here is my experience with prolonged use:

low = fun, social, visual sharpening, slightly intellectual
med = psychedelic, trippy, introspective, deep
high = loss of motor function, things don't make sense, hard to follow things, certainly psychedelic but not useful at this dose

As written before, doses for low medium and high are different for different people, but there is a ceiling and it's not worth hitting, if you can ride it to just below the ceiling your good.

jorkest, your experiences sound very similar to SWIM's. She's also had one amazing higher dose journey, and one uncomfortable higher dose.

Edit: she's found it best to take her dose orally, before she starts cooking dinner. Then it starts to come on while eating and gets going solid. If she eats before taking it, or within about 20 minutes, it's a long drawn out come up, and she doesn't get as far out as intended.

Tried MXE yesterday. Licked 5mg and washed down with water @ 1PM ish. Felt a headchange within 10-15 minutes, felt a tad more social but this could have been placebo since I had read that this was a possible effect.

Licked 20mg more around 5:30 - 6:00 pm and felt effects very quickly again, obvious dissociation within 20 minutes. Felt like what I remember an equivalent dose of insufflated ketamine to feel like, but it's been more than a few years since any K experience so I can't say with certainty.

Hopped on chat around 7 and had no trouble communicating, but started to get a little confused after a bit... couldn't remember when I had taken my dose; was eating some pizza and couldn't decide what I should do with the empty plate (ended up setting it on top of my trashcan, for some odd reason...)

Effects wore off within a couple of hours, but when I laid to to sleep and closed my eyes I felt as if I was flying around at high speeds and couldn't sleep, tossed and turned for a bit, but I had only been awake for 9 hours so I can't say for sure this was the fault of MXE; I actually felt bored and wanted to go to sleep which is strange for me, normally I will stay up late reading random stuff. Tried to watch some family guy (which I normally find highly entertaining) and it bored the bejesesus our of me. Smoked a very small amount of jwh-250, noted some mild CEVs afterward, and fell asleep within the hour. I sleep 9 hours solid without waking up and feel incredibly lethargic the next morning and several hours into the next day. I cannot blame this on the MXE entirely since there was another compound involved, but it is something to be aware of...

Conclusion: Fairly unimpressed at this point. I am considering a 30mg dose this evening to see where that takes me. From what I have read, I did not expect to be overly impressed with the 20mg dosage, and surely a 50% dose increase could give me a completely different perspective. However, I did not notice anything in the way of euphoria or body buzz with the 20mg dose, whereas ketamine I recall feeling mildly euphoric and buzzy with that dosage given the level of dissociation I was experiencing. We shall see...

Ya, pardon the simplification, I'm well aware that it gets ridiculous and "hole/nothingness" at higher doses which some people really get their rocks off on but I've never done.

This if you include "too high" and as your "high" then it's relatively correct


Anyway the as I edited in my post to say 5mg at 4h 43m in produced effects EXACTLY as would have been expected from taking 5mg more in the first dose and lasted just as long, clear effects at over 5h in.

I went out fire-spinning at a park (so cool btw!) at about 3:30 after the second dose and socializing was so natural that I almost assumed I was down when I got back but then when I was home just before some people came over I was like "nope, still going."

A friend was curious to try DMT and after doing the first 15mg dose he insisted that we stay and was super super talkative during his entire breakthrough. He was very enlightened and broke through 3 times that night.
While he was coming down from the 2nd one I smoked maybe 16-18mg to try and get into a similar mindset cause the stuff he was speaking was just so ridiculous and a lot of it made no sense. It was nice as visual but his ramblings mostly still made no sense.

The following day I was really tired and layed down from 11:30am to 2:30 and slept for maybe an hour of it. I did take some methylone the day before and maybe it was a delayed effect.

The afternoon/evening at work was fine and there was no tiredness but seemed like there was an overall calm control in my emotions.

I definitely see myself trying this again in the future! Though I'm not feeling compelled to take it like addictively at all.
In fact the thought of when I would take it next just crossed my mind for the first time right now.

I've decided 80mg is too much. But the disconnectedness can be a very interesting state of mind to have said to have experienced. I also find the opioid-like effects are very pronounced at this level and for some reason that scares me. Seems to be a mass-escapist party with none of the isight I experience with lower doses. I also find it hard to decipher between pictures/videos and real people at larger doses which is.... very very strange.

At high doses can anyone hear the sound of an engine firing up constantly? Not like a pleasant buzzing, but more of a rusty chainsaw kind of sound. The visuals seem fairly dark as well ie. at one moment I was surrounded by yellow LED's and a shiny black slug-like creature was moving all around me.

Around 50mg is still very useful.

Yeah but 50mg won't work on you for very long, tolerance means you have to up the dosage, and as with all the NMDA drugs, that tolerance will never completely go away. I think everyone that does it has to find their "too much" point and step back from that. Yeah, this drug is very much a "don't give a fuck" type of drug that can be very escapist and you should definitely be afraid of that. I should also say that the visuals you describe are only really experienced at the start of MXE usage and do fade away... the experience all together tends to get more comfortable with tolerance, and some of the initial effects disappear entirely. The opioid-like effect falls off, the visuals fall off, but the lucidity, introspection and anti-depressant effects remain. Just in my experience at least.

Oh and the sound of chainsaw, that's normal... it's a kind of tinnitus/super hearing... you can hear fans and other oscillating sounds much louder. Sometimes you also hear loops of music you've been listening to inside the wurring, very strange... I usually have to turn off my air filter and turn down computer fans because they become very clear... sometimes I can hear wurring sounds from next door. Have you heard the wurring whilst urinating yet? sometimes it sounds like the stream has voices in it, that's odd, it makes me laugh every time though.

so oh my god....i took 18mg of MXE at around noon yesterday..and had a good day hanging out with friends...then when i went home at like 9:30 i decided to take another 25mg and see how it went...after an hour and at the start of the peak i just happened to get the call from dmt...so i set up the new Ott album, mir, and sitting in front of my music station in my launch chair..i took one huge rip from my GVG..and what happened next was fucking awesome

put your seats in the upright and locked position...and your tray tables..you may experience some minor turbulence..but it will be temporary..we are just doing some upgrading and repairs on your system so you might experience some awesome sensations...

the initial dose i took lasted i THINK about 20 minutes or so...when i resurfaced a bit i grabbed my GVG again and took another hit..im not sure if i took just one or two at this point..but had just enough time to put the pipe down for another session of mxe/dmt hyperspace..

my cat crawled up on my lap at the very beginning and stayed there for the whole experience...this is my other cat that isnt evil** well shes my cat now.and i shall explain why

this is what i wrote down right after coming out



so "troll" and "duck" are cats

troll has been my cat but duck has been my brothers

so basically duck is my brothers cat..but i decided during that experience and reunion that i was going to adopt her..and i talked to my brother today and hes fine with it

so for all you guys..that have mxe and dmt....smoke dmt at the peak of the mxe...it really extends the duration and made it soooo awesome..

freaking A** right guy

EDIT: also by the way i havent been smoking dmt at all recently..its been about 1-2 months since i have broken through or even smoked any at all..so this was a great way to come back into it

also ive felt absolutely awesome today..everything is great..and its beautiful outside...

oh and the Ott album was awesome for this..it was sooooo perfect...made the experience totally awesome..it was sorta the main part really...

Good work Jorkest!

I still have 900mg from the first batch which was excellent and I wondered what it would be like with a good lugfull of vapor; methinks some 'research' along these lines is in order!

I probably won't be using MXE anymore, at least for a good while anyway, but I can highly recommend MXE/sublingual harmaloids and DMT. Very clear visions. In a way it kind of reminds me of bufotenine.

why have you decided to stop taking it? just wondering the reason...

It's done so much for me, yet it can do no more.

I was having a bit of a shitty life, then it showed me another way. Now things are good. I feel like it can't show me anything else.

I've got plenty though, so I'll keep it in a safe place for when it's needed again.

Has anyone here gotten a sense of how fast tolerance builds? She's only taken it twice a week, at most, other than her first week when she tried it three times. No closer than three days apart.

She's beginning to believe that the entheogenic aspects of MXE aren't dose dependent. She's had a 30mg dose feel just like a 20mg dose but stronger, with a 22mg dose suddenly blowing her into white light of the void.

This compound seems to go deeper and deeper.

Also, her earlier fears of addictive potential haven't found any foundation. She feels no impulse to redose or increase dose.