I don't know what the Tim and Eric Awesome show is, but I'll assume it's funny and was meant as a compliment .

I will be getting a real GVG soon. The vapour from my Playtex one is starting to ever slightly take on the fumes of coffee, drain water, lawn and, of course, baby excrement. There are some things, come the time, that a man should not tolerate.


JBArk

How many screens?

It’s possible that much of your DMT is running down the sides of the glass. Until now, I have never heard of anyone managing to burn spice in a GVG when using a regular lighter. How are you applying the flame? How close, and for how long, etc.? How quickly/slowly are you drawing air through the pipe?

In the “GVG” thread you said you use up to 100mg. There is no way that 9 screens will hold 100mg of spice. Most of your spice is probably never even vaporizing, let alone burning. You shouldn't use screens at all - use either a thin disc of copper mesh or a Volcano liquid pad trimmed to fit the bowl.

The distance from the top of the ceramic diffuser to the screens in the GVG bowl is over 1”. This means that your lighter flame is never closer than one inch from the screens.

Even with an ordinary pipe, if you keep a bic-type lighter so that the flame tip is 1” or more from the spice, you shouldn’t have any burning. It defies logic to explain how you’re managing to burn spice in your GVG.

Ive never gotten a bic to work properly, but you don't need aa 50$ flame. I've used cheap 10$ torches and as long as the ceramic thing is glowing red you should be good to go. A bic won't heat it properly IME. It will only heat a small circle not the whole thing. A torch with a one inch flame is what you need.

Maybe the 9 screens are making the distance between the heat diffuser and spice too close?

Good luck,
Muad'dib

I found out that if you want to use a metal mesh disc it really doesn't need to be very thick, I made one with stainless steel brillo and flattened it out
with an hand vise, it's only 1mm thick and there is nearly no bleed-through when vaping 50mg of white freebase. I don't understand why some of
you buy liquid pads when it's so easy and efficient to use metal mesh discs.

Yes! I’ve been saying this for almost a year now, and people still want to fill their GVG to the brim with all sorts of stuff. A thin disc is all that’s needed, and as you’ve no doubt discovered, very efficient.

How quickly DMT vaporizes in a GVG is directly related to how quickly the “containing medium” reaches vaporization temperature. A large wad of liquid pad might never reach vaporization temperature at all locations. A thin disc will reach that temperature in just a few seconds.

How thick is your disc ?

I'd say about 1/8". Maybe 3/16". Between 3 and 5mm.

Also – stainless steel and copper scrubbers are not made out of wire, which is circular in cross-section, but rather they are made out of ribbon, which is rectangular. This provides much more surface area than wire, and I think the flat surfaces, due to surface tension, allow the liquid DMT to “cling” more easily.

Ok, have you ever tried to work with a thinner disc ?

Yes, and I’ve noticed that if the disc is too thin there’s leakage. Also, I like to keep the disc loose (and hence a bit thicker) so that air flows freely through it, rather than being forced to flow around it. Hammering it flat would close up many of the spaces that help air flow.

Ok, thanks a lot, I will follow your advices

So he tried it with the liquid pad, 20mg sub-lingual harmalas, and a bic lighter and it seemed to work pretty damned well. Could barely hit it again after 2 hits, closed his eyes and onne of the female entities rode by on a flying hyperdimensional chopper bike, then the wheels morphed into the walls and were sucking things into them while they were still spinning and eating them up.

He tried again with a torch lighter just to see if it would work as well and it seemed to work great as well as far as how much vapor he got but not much CEVs due to the fact that he had just hit it 20 min before. He should know better to wait at least an hour but he thought it might work since he had the harmalas.

He thinks the problem he had must have been with leakage.

hey guys

Is the aluminium cheap-o VG worth it? Is it better than the machine at least? SWIM wants to get the most out of his spice with the minimal $$$$

The aluminum VG works well enough for changa but not so much for freebase, due to the orientation of the chamber. It tends to get quite warm as well making it uncomfortable to hold after a while.

Very cool thread guys. One question for those who own a GVG, it is better to have a torch lighter with a single torch, or one that has two or more torches? SWIM has been using a bulb for honey oil vape with an Erbo Pipe and it seems to leave black deposits behind in the bulb. Perhaps SWIM is using too much heat and burning the oil. GVG sounds like a great tool for spice journeys.

Definitely a single torch. Anything more than that and you run the risk of cracking the glass top piece which contains the ceramic element.

Does anyone know how many mm thick the ceramic heat element in the gvg?

About 6mm thick.

really? that's thicker than I thought but good to know. Is ceramic cleaner than the metal pads?