I've recently discovered something very peculiar, and I wonder how many others know of the same phenomenon...


From a single bowl of MHRB crystalline extract, produced from a traditional STB tek - not "DMT" - you can smoke two distinct "medicines", each producing clearly differing effects. You do this by exploiting a difference in vaporization temperature.

When you begin to smoke a fresh bowl, you can very carefully and slowly vaporize the more delicate medicine whilst leaving more heat-resistant medicine in the pipe, if you purse your lips, and draw your breath very slowly and steadily from the piece, as the flame rests ~1.5 cm above the material.

This is how I have always smoked my freebase extract, which was a technique developed to avoid catching the material on fire, which tends to happen if you're overly-zealous initially. However, when I could no longer milk the bowl in this delicate fashion, I assumed that all medicine was smoked, and that the ashes upon which I smoked the medicine were dry. A couple nights ago, I discovered that this is not the case, and that the bowls I had been emptying into my trash were full of potent actives.

This stuff is much more resilient, it won't catch fire easily, and you almost have to apply the flame directly to the material to vaporize it. Which means the smoke is going to be much hotter, and you have to carb very frequently -- or, as I have adapted, leave your finger on the carb and simply open and shut your lips like a fish as you inhale, ensuring that a good deal of cool air gets mixed with the hot smoke.

Experiential notes:

Delicate component

- Less potent (requires more to reach "similar" level of intoxication).
- Much kinder and gentler. Washes away all fears, and fills one with childish glee.
- Visuals are much more detailed and discernible. Entities, hyperspatial "objects", hard-edged patterns. Less focus on color, and more focus on content. Sometimes the visuals simply present themselves as conceptual shapes themselves with no actual coloring.
- A sense of importance and beauty in the experience itself. It's a song, a show, a work of art, and a gift from my creator(s)...

Resilient component

- Three moderate hits is enough to make me frightened to go any further...
- No mercy from this one. Experience is less like a blossoming flower, and more like a hyperspatial nuclear explosion.
- Visuals are vague and blurry, and generally seem to involve a central glowing beacon, with everything sort of revolving around, being sucked into, or being expelled out of the beacon. Color is much more pronounced, with each breakthrough having a different color theme. Interestingly, my first breakthrough involved a neon turquoise-green beacon; my second involved a dark sandy brown; my third involved an incredibly bright "artificial" sky blue.
- So far, the experience seems less like a work of art, and more like a utility, or a tool. It's just raw, uncensored knowledge of the nature of reality, take it or leave it.
- The YAWNING! After this stuff starts to hit you, every single time, you're just overcome with urge to give these huge, gaping YAWNS.

Hi,


I think I know what you talking about. Smoking jurema alkaloids in pipe with ash bed and in GVG is different.
I use GVG, but even if I vape all the spice with ceramic filter on (no more vapor produced) there is still plenty of actives left in chamber which need higher temperature to vaporize. Therefore when not much vapor coming from GVG anymore I take a ceramic filter off, heat open chamber and take that last hit. And that one is HUGE and DENSE, so there is plenty actives left, not just some spice residue. Than experience gets 'pipe and ash' alike.

DMT vaped in GVG experience is full breakthrough with WHAU!!!
But open pipe smoking (I assume wider temperature spectrum vaping) is full breakthrough by rocket launch with OMG!!! First time I experienced that I was crushed by intensity, carrier wave was like nuclear bomb, destroyed time-space reality in fraction of second. I was thrown into blur colorful tunnel with last thought that this is it, I fucked up and overdosed myself. I don't remember too much of these launches because of dissolving intensity. It's very 'near death experience' for me.


Anyway, I don't smoke straight jurema spice that often anymore, I prefer changa these days, but I'm familiar with your experience I guess.



Regards,

Can the OP be a bit more clear on how this preparation was made? You say naptha extract but do you mean STB or do you mean just mixing mimosa with naptha?

^ Sorry - I am referring to the product of a STB tek & freeze precipitation.

I'm interested in exploring the rest of your post further, but this part REALLY got my attention. I have had this experience several times with intense changa sessions. The yawns are accompanied by shivering and shaking and involve my whole body. When they happen, they are almost constant. I had entity contact during one of these yawnfests (ha ha) and the entities told me that the yawning was part of a detoxification process. I don't know what to make of the whole entity thing, but it was interesting. I figure it was a deeper part of me saying that. I thought later that perhaps it was analogous to a purge. Milder of course, but persistent and powerful.

Tell me more about your yawning. I've only had it when caapi was involved.
Thanks.

There do seem to be a lot of anecdotal reports of people getting a far bigger trip than they expect when smoking spice residue from previous trips. Perhaps there is in fact a distinct other compound with a higher vaporisation temperature present in the extract. Or perhaps heating the spice the first time causes some sort of chemical change to occur (some type of oxidation?), resulting in a new compound being formed at that time.

elphologist

Hi,

I was thinking about that few times. Tried to figure out why is that way. Maybe it happens if you burn the spice? I'm not sure. But it is different. Straight DMT through GVG + torch and DMT through pipe + torch is not the same in my exp.
Second one is MORE intense, shorter, very dissociative (I think I fell unconsciousness twice, lost control of all my senses...?), merciless and cold. Feels like overdose of data .

DMT is powerful compound. Respect.


Regards,

This is immensely interesting: one could dramatically steer the quality of the experience using different vaping technique!!

This is info I have been waiting for!


A peruvian shaman, as I was yawn festing while coming up on Ayahuasca, said that the yawning indicates that a change in state of consciousness is taking place. Mushrooms, E, Lsd also cause yawn on come up IME.

O those nice yawns...

This 'other' set of actives also seems to be more resilient to IPA than DMT which dissolves very readily. Nonetheless, if one is thorough, it can be cleaned up with IPA, and when I let that evaporate, I'm often left with these very dark brown-black crystals. I only need to smoke a little of these to get full blown effects. I've noticed visuals to regularly be more organic with these black crystals. I always seem to have the most fun with these.

I get the yawning every time - I thought it was a common side-effect?

Muad'dib

Yea, me too, yawning and tears...the physical shivers I find to be less common, but can be mediated somewhat with blankets/warmth

this yawning happens while on most tryptamines. the trytamine yawn

Yea yawning is common. SWIM gets it on pharmahuasca but not when smoking dmt (its too fast).

I also do not think you are smoking two distinct compounds. Much more likely your smoking dmt with different ratios of impurities.