Never seen a james bond movie, i guess.

on the contrary, octopussy was my fav as a child;
never say never again was my second fav.

Hey polytrip!
At least you're aware of your hate and you want to get rid of it. That's more than you can say about a lot of people.
Well good luck finding inner peace

Very well said. and in the words of GI Joe. "Knowing is half the battle" did I just date m myself? LOL

Thanks everybody. All the wise and kind words here realy help to put things in perspective.

imagine to suck up all the darkness and transform it.
Black -> White

<3 <3 <3

You have to define, what YOU want to accept in your reality.
You have to define, what's your story.
You have to define, if you want to be healthy or not!

Gn8

jon stewart is my hero

Anger is a gift...

if only you realise it's just a surge of energy that can be used creatively to change that which needs to be.

Wow.

Conflict may be a gift, but I'm fairly certain anger is not.



Anger is a subjective response fueled by the narrow-minded belief that the world revolves around your notion of right and wrong.
At least my anger is....I haven't transcended to the supposed "holy anger" quite yet.

Anger creates bad shit!
But maybe something good can come out of it. I'm not sure thou.

I tried arguing that one once, didn't go over too well

Yes, of course anger can lead to nasty situations.

I just wanted to point out that such strong feelings should not always be discarded, for at their root is a gushing energy that can be used correctly.

Could we not say that it was a good thing that people got angry about slavery? and so on? Maybe then it becomes "energy for change" instead of "anger".

Definitely an energy to be careful about though!

Fwiw I agree. Anger can been used in a positive manor just like all human emotions. Examples would be art. Many artists express a wide range of extreme emotions in their work, not all of them are love. Still, it's beautiful none the less.
I think anger CAN be used for peace. Your example of abolished slavery is a perfect one Rooftop.

Just as love can make people act stupidly if they let it control them. The phrase "blindly in love" comes to mind.
Be in control of your emotions and don't let them control you.

Love and Anger can hurt if used improperly. But both can have positive benefits when controlled in a creative direction.

Duality is all in our heads, everything is one. We can learn from it all and put it to positive use if we let it.

IMO

Anger as an energy to abolish freedom introduces an interesting look at this "duality".

1. Anger towards slavers and the mistreatment of slaves
2. Compassion towards the mistreated slaves and a desire the resolve the tragedy

Both are a means to the end, but I feel a more positive change can come about through the development of an "ideal" that doesn't polarize the opposition.
Abolishing slavery was about the benefit of the enslaved, not about defeating the oppressors.

Anger is certainly a reality. We all experience it, but we don't need to resort to it as a fuel for our actions.
I only know that entertaining anger catalyzes more bad than good in my own life.

Well anger and passion can go hand-in-hand. It would make sense that both loving compassion and angry passion both played a part in the abolishment of slavery. I wonder if it could have been done with only one or the other?
I think there are times where it is useful, and many times where it's detrimental.
Chopping wood for example is a great way to channel anger to a beneficial result, while relieving stress at the same time.
Using anger to attack is what I think you speak of, and of course that will yield a negative result which should be avoided.

I don't know where you're getting the idea that anger is to oppose or defeat anything, that goes against what I'm trying to say. I'm sure the slaves were pretty angry about being controlled, and this anger lead to the loving compassion from concerned humans you speak of which abolished slavery.

IMO there needs to be a balance between the emotions we feel, letting any single one consume someone would likely yield the same negative result.
Control is everything.

To effect change, the "juices must be flowing". And for that, a current is needed. The current is established when there is a positive and a negative pole, establishing a voltage that makes the current flow. The greater the voltage, the greater the current. To move a huge energetic block in the body of Gaia (or in the collective unconscious), a proportionally huge voltage is required. But human history has taught us that high voltage is BAD, because it nearly always results in war and destruction. So we voluntarily constrained it - as a culture - and in its place, we tried to establish these "ideals that don't polarize the opposition".

From time to time, people came who said that this is BAD, because "being soft" is a cop-out, an artificial mind-trick that has no basis in reality, which robs us from our aliveness, our humanness - if we cannot let out our anger in a natural way, then we will become sick, both as persons and as a culture. Nietzsche was one of the most prominent figures who came up with this idea. And after Nietzsche came Adolf Hitler who finally cemented the conviction in the Western mind that we MUST NOT LET THE CURRENT FLOW AT ALL because this is INHERENTLY DANGEROUS. The result of which is a psychologically highly controlled society, where even the length of a banana is officially controlled by governmental standards.

We need a solution that can release the power inherent in the Good/Bad dialectic with 100% involvement, with an inner control which guarantees that the process doesn't get out of hand. Without such control, we get Hitler. If there is such a control, we get an enlightened sage. What is the difference? What is the nature of this control - if it is a "control" at all (as we usually understand the word)? If we can find this out - as a culture - then I believe we will have stepped onto the next level of our evolution.

(Another analogy of this process is our handling of atomic power. Atomic bomb vs. nuclear reactor. Or maybe even psychedelic drugs: weapons of mass delusion vs. chemical agents of enlightenment. The factor that makes these apart is a still unknown potential hiding in the human mind, the holy grail of the current evolutionary cycle.)

The difficulty inherent in this discussion comes from the fact that we are tackling one of the deepest riddles of humanity.

I find that one of the most difficult things about anger is, to let it be when it's justified, but at the same time not letting yourself go.
I think i need to train my mind, to always keep reflecting on how productive my anger actually is anytime i let it be.

Rooftop thank you for this.

The Buddhists have a saying. "When the student is ready the teacher will appear".

Today my friend you have been my teacher. I very sincerely thank you for this bit of insight!

Peace

Poly I find directing anger at a person almost always results in receiving more anger back, which escalates the original anger. Quite the vicious circle.
I know it's not easy to know when anger is appropriate and when it will backfire.
Something I've been trying recently is when I get angry take a moment and ask myself "Why does this make me angry? and what can I do about it?"
In most cases, one will never change another's mind, especially with an angry tone.

When anger builds inside it can be quite detrimental to one's state of mind. Ignoring it isn't always a feasible option.
That's why it's useful to have a source to output all anger and frustration which is separate from the situation causing it in the first place. Exercise is wonderful to clear one's mind.
Anger is an energy which builds up if left untreated, avoiding it won't make it go away. Best way to release this energy is to get angry. Breaking things or hitting punching bags is really good for this and is apparently quite healthy. Send all those demons towards an inanimate object which cannot feel, and you'll be unlikely to receive it back.