I've read a few reports talking about how DXM actually lengthens the experience and SWIM has been waiting to get some jimjam to test it with... Well, the jj finally was available, but is coating some MJ(so kinda like changa, but not melted into the plant... and no maoi's - which is why the dxm)

SWIM has only had one experience with DXM but did get to know it very well(experienced traveler, knows excess is bad) and is going to dose to just touch on Plateau II.

The goal is to take the jj/mj just after the transition into P2. The planned dose isn't enough to go beyond that level of DXM space, and the jj/mj is enough for a 2 burn sprint to the doors of hyperspace..

The result SWIMs hoping for is to slide right past the curtain, get beyond the 2D/dancing fractal playground where introductions were made, and head right out to visit hyperspace... HOPEFULLY the DXM extends the experience like capii would and go from 3-5 min of immersion into a 15-20min immersion.

Will update after SWIM is able to talk after the experiment, fresh feedback will be followed by post-integration feedback(if necessary)

Have fun, play safe, see you out there!

No offense but f**k DXM, it would be a better idea just to stick with freebase DMT on its own and take the DXM on its own.

You DO NOT want to take DXM with DMT, DMT seems to be offended by DXM and you will not end up in DMT hyperspace but you will end up in a disturbing, deranged bad-land - sort of like a Class C psychedelic land - really c**p in my opinion. Wait until you can get some caapi leaves and smoke them with DMT.

Sounds like a bad and unnecessary combo . The formula is actually really simple: properly vaped dmt with an MAOI of some sort thats pretty much it. good mindset and really positive mellow setting and you'll get there. Mixing DMT with too many things is asking for trouble and not a good kind of trouble.

Why not explain to him your experiences with the combo (or the experiences of others you know) instead of telling him flat out that he will have a disturbing and deranged bad trip? You really can't say that for certain.. The combo sounds bad to me as well, but no one can predict an others trip with such certainty..

that said, I personally really dislike the affects of dxm. It falls miles short compared to tryptamines. Tried it maybe 3 times.. had some 'just ok' trips, but each time the side affects were absolutely horrible and made it not worthwhile. i really doubt i'd enjoy it with dmt. But if you want to experiment, then that's your choice.

but i agree and think it would be more worthwhile to just get some caapi or rue instead, if lengthening and intensifying is what your aiming for..its a much better way to go about it.. and rue, for example, is a lot of bang for your buck as far as harmalas go. You can simply make a potent changa, high in maoi, and/or just dose some maoi orally or sublingually before dosing

what they said.

DXM and DMT lol........

I think, taking DXM with DMT may be... at odds with the nature of the DMT experience.

eh, I agree, not a great combo.
If your up for it though, no harm in giving it a try. As long as you don't over do it.

But ill probably get curious one day and try it, Just one more experience

The experience is what I'm going for. I'm not going to be doing a large quantity of DXM, and I enjoyed it the last time I did it. I don't get an upset stomach very easily and didn't have any negative side effects that I could notice when I took it last.

I DO plan on making some changa and other oral/vape combos, but right now everything is lined up for this little experiment, mentally, spiritually, emotionally, not to mention supplies. And I COMPLETELY agree that the mentality that you have going into an experience greatly influences what happens..
My ego got crushed LONG ago, and I am very capable of letting go and NOT holding on, while staying present in an experience...

And since I've read numerous reports of other people having a fantastic time with this combo, it seems worthy to document on the nexus. As of right now though, I don't see any more DXM in the future, I want to stick to my naturals!!

I don't think that this combo is doomed from the start, but like others I have some definite reservations about the appropriateness of this pairing...

Now this is not because I scorn DXM - au contraire. Indeed, I am one of the few incorrigible freaks who reveres that thanatotic sacrament of the nightside abyss... ...and not because I have bad taste in psychoactives; Dexter & I simply vibe together on a level which apparently eludes many - (I suspect primarily because A)its energy is shadowy and deathly, a distillation of the blackest magick; B)it is finicky and inconsistent, requiring a multitude of subtle factors and variables to align in order to fully manifest in its glory; C) the Hydrobromide confers the best results).

That being said, I engage Dexter infrequently - rarely more than once a year - because I perceive it as a morally ambiguous daemon that proffers profound healing with one hand, and corrosive delusion with the other.

If you are interested in DXM, I suggest pursuing it on its own (with cannabis). While one can learn much from a single introductory experience, it is ultimately insufficient to grasp the deeper implications of this molecule.
It is always a good rule-of-thumb to be intimately familiar with any substance that you wish to combine with another.

Intuitively I suspect that DXM & DMT are more likely to clash than synergize. They are, after all, almost perfect opposites (tho not necessarily complementary, like yin & yang) - DMT being purest energy of Light and Life, fitting the human mind with a planned perfection... while DXM is purest energy of Darkness and Death, Absolute Zero, often producing the uncanny sensation that it was never intended for human trespass; perhaps a misplaced artifact of alien technology, or maybe insidiously seeded here with incomprehensible intent...

You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders, with proper intent & technique, etc., and I don't want to condescend or presume. But before attempting this combo I think it would be ideal if you had a bit more experience with DXM, and also if you consulted the opinion of DMT itself... does it respond with friction or openness? At least that's what I would do... attempting to ask may be more important than receiving a clear answer. Never a good idea to just blunder in... don't know whose toes you might be stepping on...

But since you seem mostly committed to this endeavor, I truly hope it is spectacularly insightful and healing and you write up a dazzling & detailed report!