swimmers!!! love from wonderland.
a blue reindeer friend of mine wants to tell you a couple of fary tales:
once upon a time a blue reindeer wanting to get the acetate right thought that working with vinegar was too much of a variable so he started using pure acetic acid in a 5% solution.Check the continuation of the goo factor tale here:
the goo factor
After a while and some practice this reindeer started to make transformations to the magic acetate he was being able to produce, here are some pictures:
1) Acetate dryed in pyrex.Produce of 2 soaks, 3 saltings each.2)The same, closer.Aint that magical?3)Scraped with a razor the reindeer gets waxy flakes, just like white chocolate, but yummier.This material can be further chopped and powderized to mix with your favorite beverage or encapsulated.But remember only for reindeer consumption!
to be continued...

the reindeer told me to show you a bigger pic of his fav.

reindeers kick ass

This picture is the result of washing (the material in pic. 3) with freezing MEK , one wash only (decanted with pipette and excess evaporated).20ml of MEK per gram of mesc.Never throw your "dirty" MEK away with out leaving it overnight in the freezer to retrieve more mesc.You will be surprised.This material is a bit chunky after drying but it can be further chopped and powderized.Its consistency is not so waxy.

This pic. shows the result of a third soak in cactus (3 saltings).Its more tan and waxy but far more manageable than goo.Goo is the result of a wrong procedure or materials.This reindeer is making hcl from the 3 soak on, in the future.He thinks it might come out dryer.Pic in next post.Obs: this is acetate not hcl.

Pic 3 bigger (first generation acetate after scraping).The result of 2 soaks, 3 saltings each.Not chopped.Not washed.

thx Phlux, my reindeer friend will be very happy!

so very pretty 1isall. I did a test today evapping ~50 ml of 5% distilled household vinegar and it yielded some 5mg amorphous white waxy substance with no discernable taste. I suspect that could be the cause of some peoples goo yields but it really didn't seem like enough... I'll do a salting eventually with that vinegar and see what results I get.

At any rate, you've demonstrated that clean acetic acid results in clean mesc acetate xtals... I think its a good practice to do an evap test on any vinegar before salting to see if there is going to be any gunk left over.

this is an atempt to gather crystals, boiled MEK diluted mesc with stirer for 5 mins, cooled to room temp. and slept in the freezer (1 gram mesc. 100 ml MEK, probably 50ml would be better.)The brownish areas swim belives its oxidation.Material is shiny and glass like.First pic is the side of the dish unscraped and the second scraped material.Overexposed areas of the pic. is the "light" being reflected...BTW this was done with second generation material so this material was washed twice via decantation and evaporation.Remember to always leave one more night the "dirty" mek in a clean bowl, and after that evaping it, you will retrieve more mesc you think.

Awesome work oneistheall, thanks a lot for sharing!

Would be interesting to made a side-by-side extraction with hcl vs acetate, and with half of the yields of each do the clean ups and compare yield and effect of both the crudes and the purified mesc salts

beautiful info! i wonder what impurities present in vinegar result in the goopy doopy extracts people normally yield?

awesome work!
kudos

Vinegar is an acid liquid produced from the fermentation of ethanol in a process that yields its key ingredient, acetic acid (ethanoic acid). It also may come in a diluted form. The acetic acid concentration typically ranges from 4% to 8% by volume for table vinegar[1] and up to 18% for pickling. Natural vinegars also contain small amounts of tartaric acid, citric acid, and other acids. (wikipedia)

swim has to get better with hcl to do that , he is still mastering the acetate.you are very wellcome, every thing swim knows came from the nexus, so thank YOU nexus.

Thanks a lot for sharing this!

Considerations: my friend the blue reindeer uses 69ron´s limnonene tek, the only variation being the acetic acid thing and the use of the SAME limonene + 10% (to compensate for what stays) in the WHOLE process.He soaks only twice to get acetate, he makes a 3rd and 4th soak in the mush but he makes hcl (4 drops per 100ml of 36% hcl) he does that because in acetate this would start to get gooish, this way he thinks it comes out dryer.
Many people have done this tek and get goo, giving an awfull name to ACETATE which is quite a noble form if done right.For this reindeer goo is not worthy of the name mescalin acetate.
Remember to use your dirty limonene to clean your bathroom or kitchen its a great degreaser and smells super!!! this way you will be recycling, saving and not using other harmfull products.

I'm not really sure but maybe its just the acetate itself? I'm glad this thread was made because I've been in limbo between using acetic acid (store bought vinegar) and using 10% hcl for salting of goods.

On the one hand acetic acid sounds good for the through and through foodsafe tek. However, HCL is now gaining some points because of its ability to produce finer crystalline like saltings without much cleanup, and it supposed cleaner evaporation (although I have yet to test that factor).

I tried out a evaporation test of straight up vinegar last night and came home from work today to find quite a bit of residue left in the dish with less than 10 mL of 5% store bought vinegar used for the test. So my question now is how straight up glacial acetic acid diluted down to 5% would perform in a similar evaporation test.

as far as the blue reindeer understands glacial acetic acid is a purer component to start with, so if you are using pure hcl why not use pure acetic acid? using acetic acid you are able to reduce variables and have acurate results and workflow.From experience BR (blue reindeer) is able to say that:
a) Its not more work to clean acetate than hcl ,(to get white hcl you need 2 acetone washes + 2 iso99 washes).You might not get pure super white stuff cleaning twice acetate but its pure enough, belive me.
b) BR has the feeling that acetic acid is more efficient salting in the first 2 pulls (more yield).
c) also he belives that hcl is more efficient salting in the next 3 and 4th pulls and BR gets far cleaner results that if using acetic acid.
d) he also thinks that hcl is more efficient with xylene and acetate with limonene.

further experimenting and probably the tek he might use in the future would be:
crossed tek
a) first 2 pulls with limonene soaked cactus and acetate at 5% (it can be interesting to experiment with a 4-4.5% dilution)
b) 3rd and 4th pulls soaked with xylene and salted with hcl.10% hcl is too strong BR uses 4 drops of 36% hcl per 100ml water to get far cleaner results.
this way the extractor would get the benefits of both and the most from the cactus.BR will report when experienced on this theory.

I am wanting to clean up some impure Mesc HCL. I don't have dry acetone at the moment, but I do have 99% Iso. Will a couple of washes with the ISO be effective if I skip the acetone wash?