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JWH-018 pKA? Options
 
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#1 Posted : 1/20/2011 10:47:22 PM

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So SWIM has a batch of relatively weak JWH-018 herbal blend that he wants to isolate the JWH from. He's run it through a soxhlet with acetone but if pulled lots of chlorophyll and other junk of course. Any ideas how to purify it further, anyone know the pKA?
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#2 Posted : 1/21/2011 12:05:06 AM

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Afraid I don't know the pKA. But ethanol dissolves somewhere around 2-5 mg of JWH-018 / ml in cold ethanol, so that should be a very effective wash. I was also thinking heptane would be effective but I haven't tried it. I happen to have heptane and JWH-018 though, so if you'd like me to run a quick solubility test I probably can at some point in the next few hours. And a simple water wash should also help a lot. Good luck!
 
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#3 Posted : 1/21/2011 2:00:10 AM

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That would be great! If heptane is anywhere near as effective as pulling JWH as it is at pulling spice I'll be in luck. I have access to both ethanol and heptane, and even water! Hmmm, what would SWIY do?
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#4 Posted : 1/21/2011 1:28:15 PM

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Too bad JWH-018 does not have a pKa.....

Strictly speaking, it is not an alkaloid; do not be fooled by the indolic nitrogen.

Also, good luck trying to separate JWH-018 from chlorophyl using kitchen chemistry. It quite the task and I don't think acetone, ethanol or heptane will help you much.

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#5 Posted : 1/23/2011 7:30:07 PM

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Sorry for the slow reply! I missed the reply apparently.

Just did a room temperature solubility test with heptane and JWH-018. 3 ml room temp heptane was added to 100 mg JWH-018 and agitated for 10-15 minutes. Then allowed to settle for a couple minutes, and 2.4 ml of clear heptane was pulled off. This was evaporated to yield 11 mg of a deep yellow and sticky (think ear wax) mass. The original product was slightly gummy and off yellow, as pure JWH-018 is reported to be -- I considered this batch to be the purest / best I have ever bought (no smell or anything, no hiding of the gumminess like some companies do by cutting with starch). So the sticky yellow impurity is not naphthalene and is fairly common to be removed with JWH washes, whatever it is.

Placed on to the end of a knife and hit with a lighter, it did not seem to burn at all. Melted and smells terrible (plastic-like) but no apparent smoke or vapor even under flame for 3-4 seconds. I'm currently evaporating off the remaining heptane on the 100 mg of JWH and I'll report back with its' final weight. Certainly no more than 15 mg was removed in 2.4 ml of room temp heptane, so solubility of JWH-018 is < 6.25 mg / ml.

edit: Chlorophyll is soluble in ethanol but JWH-018 is very poorly soluble. So I imagine that will be effective for removing at least the majority of the chlorophyll. Chlorophyll is also soluble in naphtha so should be soluble in heptane as well. This link says both ethanol and hexane are commonly used for extracting chlorophyll. May not be able to remove 100% as a kitchen chemist but you should be able to get most of it out! Good luck. I'll edit in my final washed JWH weight shortly.

edit2: 81 mg remaining in the jar. However there is a source of some loss involved both stuck to the stirring instrument (toothpick) and a mg or two pouring out the powder to expedite the evaporation and then pouring back into the jar. I think the solubility is closer to the evaporated heptane -- 11mg/2.4ml or ~4.6 mg/ml in room temp heptane.
 
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#6 Posted : 1/25/2011 12:33:42 AM

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Just buy pure JWH powder online.

There is no need to extract it from a herbal incense blend.
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#7 Posted : 1/25/2011 7:02:03 AM

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I am sure there are ways around this, but I thought JWH-018 as well as some others were emergency scheduled by the DEA. My source quit selling it and had massive discounts. Stocked up. I heard that this ruling is being challenged, but did not look into this furthur. I believe this included the spice products as well. just a fyi
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