Thanks. Any tips for SWIM on how much Sodium Carbonate (assuming PH ~8.5) wash to use?

Its very forgiving step, no need for accuracy. Just throw a pinch of sodium carb, like maybe, say, half a teaspoon, in for example 100ml water and it will be fine.

SWIM says he's going insane.

From his freeze precip he got a very small amount of spice (2 x half toke on vapour genie) but those white crystals were (according to SWIM) WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY better than anything he'd had previously even at such small doses. Second dose melted through the screens before he got to have a real go

Anyway I digress ....

Subsequent freeze or evap precip pulls produce nothing.

SWIM can't get his PH up. He ran out of room and so split the batch in 2. There was approximately 3.5 litres of black goo that was at PH 11.5 (SWIM assumed that this is why he's getting nothing in the naptha). So he added 150g of lye (no water) and re tested PH, then 200g and another 200g. He has a crap PH meter that doesn't take in to account temperature (new one on order) so he lets it cool (gets quite warm/hot) as it dissolves.

Still can't get it above PH 12.5 ..... SWIM just went to try and test the solution and can't get the meter below 9 in running water ... it got binned.

Until the new meter comes, surely my PH is high enough? 600 ml warm(boiling) naptha, stir for 5 mins, yet another clear pull. He will try and freeze precip this but is not hopeful.

Perhaps I suggest to SWIM to abort and try again (with 50g MHRB this time)

wtf 600ml naphtha?! thats waaaaay too much naphtha, thats why you are not getting anything. Read the FAQ regarding pre-evaporation and ideal size of pulls.. They are most likely just not saturated enough for freezing to work

You're gonna have to evaporate that down to, say, 50-100ml which is a big waste Next time make smaller pulls instead, which can be freeze-precipitated directly

Me and my crew were following the marsofold tek.

"Polar Extraction: Premix in an empty 1-Gallon plastic jug: 1-Quart White Vinegar
& 3-Quarts Water. Put the ground up Mimosa in a 3-Liter crockpot, then fill it
with the water-vinegar solution. Stir well and turn it on "high". After 2 hours,
remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the lid on slightly offset, and pour off
most of the liquid into a 1-gallon wide-mouthed glass or stainless container.
Add the remaining water-vinegar solution to the crockpot again. Stir well and
turn it on "high". After 2 hours, remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the
lid on slightly offset, and pour off all of the liquid into the same container
again"

Well after 30 mins the water boiled into the air

Yeah, SWIM was trying anything to get something out. SWIM evap'd this right down and tried freezing ... got nothing and evap'd it all the way ... still nothing.

The problem seems to be the PH.

Too much NaOH? Is that possible? Adding water is making the PH rise?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! And it reacts and it gets hotter.

Cheap PH meter is not helping SWIM's cause either. New one on the way ......

what do you mean you got nothing when you evaped all the way? not even an oil (that seems little/nothing but is actually misleading since theres plenty of dmt, you need to redissolve in minimal solvent and freeze)?

No you cannot have too much NaOH.... Im sure you have enough.

Hi Dmt-Nexus!

SWIM plans on doing his first extract next week using STB. Part of the process is the freeze/percip and everything SWIM has read says that the freezer needs to be set to the lowest temperature, cold enough to freeze ice cream solid. He has no ice cream or thermometer and his freezer doesn't have an adjustable setting. Is there any other way to know if it's cold enough to freeze/percip? Obviously a solution would be to go buy some ice cream, but even if it didn't freeze solid, would it still work for freeze percip?

Thanks!

^^sure it will work, no need to go and get ice cream, unless you gonna eat it.

When you have collected your pulls, blow on to the naptha, if it clouds when blown on then its ready for freeze precip, if it doesn't cloud evap it till it clouds when blown on and then freeze.

Thanks gamma!

This may be obvious but i'll ask anyway just to avoid confusion. If it doesn't cloud will it just ripple like water? In other words will it be obvious if it's clouding or not?

It will be very obvious, the dmt will start to precip if its saturated enough when blown on. Like it will get very white.

Here's a pic of 40ml naptha from a last pull on an A/B.

I'm currently doing my first DMT extraction right now.

I'm using this TEK: http://www.shroomery.org...ber/6931010/fpart/1/vc/1

I didn't read over it well enough and completely forgot to let the Mimosa Hostilis soak in the water+NaOH solution for a couple hours before adding Naphtha. I'm following the advice to let it soak for three days for the first yield, will there be any problems in the extraction having missed the stage of letting it soak?

I'm using two pots as I don't have a big enough one for both, but one is sludgy and sort of similar to brownie mix while the other is pretty much a complete liquid. I'm using pre-powdered as the site I got it from states their powder as being 30% more potent due to removing "filler fibers", will this be fine?

Travis dude, the lazyman tek is crap, you should have browsed around the nexus before you started the extraction.

Back to the extraction, do you not have access to any HDPE gallon/litre milk jugs? those work much better than pots, the problem you gonna have with pots is trying to separate the naptha off from the bark solution. I imagine that you will have alot of surface area for the naptha to cover, making it a very thin layer of naptha, wereas with HDPE jug there is a smaller surface area near to the neck(this is where the naptha would sit. Also somthing else to consider is what material are these pots made of that you are using?

Another thing you say is that the one of the pots is like a brownie mixure? it should be black, like soy sauce black, not brown. If its still brown you need to add more base.

Dont throw anything away till you have your final yield.

Good luck!

Hello all,

Using a variation of Noman's tek found http://www.shroomery.org...Number/10089233#10089233

I have never had problems with it before but a recent attempt has left the naptha completely colorless after days of sitting.

I am inquiring as to possible reasons for this. Even if there was absolutely 0 spice in it wouldn't some of the fats and oils be pulled from the bark creating the color change?

Please help me out. This is for someone I am teaching how to do (so right now I am looking like a fool... at least in my eyes)

Using STB tek, how does SWIM properly dispose of a jar full of water, lye and naphtha safely?

Bait, not picking up color doesnt necessarily mean bad. I think it might not be saturated enough if you used that tek's naphtha amount. Check the FAQ for numbers on pre-evaporation and ideal pull size. If nothing crashes out with freeze better evap more and stick back in the freezer.

By the way, did you do an evap test on this solvent?

TheTripDoctor: FAQ what to do with the waste

The naphtha we are using is a brand called sunnyside (found at a menards) and am performing the evap test now but I think it will pass.

I'll evap down and see if anything happens.

Thanks again

Sunnyside Naphtha is decent stuff. More color just means you got more tannins/fats/oils, and it usually happens with heat.

gamma,that pic remembers to swim of plastic precipitation that gives flat cristal circle stuff like mescaline

Using this procedure, SWIM was wondering if all of the components will fit into a 1 quart mason jar?

1. Water 600ml
2. NaOH 75g
3. Powdered Root Bark 75g
4. Let sit for 3 hours
5. 113ml Naptha
6. Mix for 10 minutes, let separate three times
7. Draw
8. Freeze Precip.
9. Collect

Also after drawing and putting the solvent in the freezer, could he/she go straight back to step 5 with the basified solution and repeat or does there need to be a wait time?