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Lodi
#21 Posted : 1/24/2011 12:42:09 AM

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DMT is released everynight in your sleep, one theory is, that the majority of your dreams you dont remember, you dont remember because of the power of that particular dream, and that the dreams we do remember are simply because less meletonin, seretonin, and dmt were released, allowing you to remember.
They have done studies and found, that certain diseases and parasites can cause a DMT deficiency in your brain, ultimately resulting in death, because the way the doctors put it, if you dont dream every night when you sleep then you die. and if you think about what a dream is, a dream might very well, and is very plausibly that a dream is our brain tripping every night when we sleep, and that if our brains dont trip every night, we die...

another food for thought, if dmt is whats released every night when we dream, and dmt is whats released before we die. than whats to say we arent breaking a big rule by consuming it at any other time? personally i dont believe that, but its possible. and then again, so is anything Wink
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#22 Posted : 1/24/2011 12:47:19 AM

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Lodi wrote:
...another food for thought, if dmt is whats released every night when we dream, and dmt is whats released before we die. than whats to say we arent breaking a big rule by consuming it at any other time? personally i dont believe that, but its possible. and then again, so is anything Wink

It’s true that many things are possible, but not true that anything is possible.
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Lodi
#23 Posted : 1/24/2011 12:54:27 AM

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Well if your coming from the point of as to say, "through enough dmt and psychedelics, I could unlock the other half of my brain, unlock telepathic powers, maybe learn how to control gravity with my mind, move within a beam of light because its made up of the same things that we are". and that right there would basically open the door for "anything" being possible. I mean, a apple is an apple and not an orange, that apple could never be an orange.. but what if we had the power to taste and to see an orange even though we know its an apple? if we had the power of our entire brains we could really be great.. or, maybe that was the path we were on as mankind 15,000 years ago, when we discovered alcohol and agriculture, and lost our way with psychedelic encounters and sacraments. when we found alcohol, we found our ego, and so our brains stopped evolving at such a fast rate... who knows guys? we dont now, we can speculate, but we have to wait for death to really find out everything I think..
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#24 Posted : 1/24/2011 1:00:38 AM

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gibran2 wrote:

If you haven’t already read it, you might find this interesting:

The Improbability of Hyperspace

Hey, I actually did read that but I'm restricted from posting their atm. Very interesting read, I like your probability experiment.

Interesting opinion Lodi, thanks for sharing. It's to bad one can't certainly experience death without physically experiencing it. Laughing
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#25 Posted : 1/24/2011 1:09:09 AM

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I want to thank everyone for their reply post - even those who disagree. The reason I raised the questions that I did was to promote the thoughtful exchange of ideas. That is what is happening, so keep up the good work.

It seems that some of the posters here assume that I am convinced of the malevolence of the entities. Let me say that I am not convinced one way or the other of any of the questions that I raised. It may all be bullshit for all I know (or all you know for that matter).

From reading all of your posts, it sound like some of you think that all I have are dark, bad trips and all I get out of it is negativity. Not true. In fact, like many of you, I have been able to grow and become a better person from the use of psychedelics. The vibes I get from the trips and huasca afterglows are usually something like "Be more understanding of your fellow humans" and "You are not giving your family the attention and love they deserve - step-it-up dummy" and "You can find contentment in your hard work and living an honest life". Of course there is little to no malevolence in these vibes.

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For a moment let's assume that they are malevolent and deceptive. What is the deception? Where is the harm? What path could this be we're on that's bad? I am asking what is the result of the malevolence? Now let's look people who use DMT and psychedelics. I understand that many psychedelic users become more conscious of their actions, their behaviour towards others and the environment. They share the general concerns of the betterment of humanity and the planet. It doesn't make sense to me that something that is malevolent would catalyze positive change in our behaviours.


The harm to which I am referring are the epiphanies one sometimes gets on psychedelics such as "There is no God, he is really just our collective consciousness" or "We are all descendants of an alien race" or any other ridiculous "secrets" of the universe that may be shown to you while on psychedelics. Some people actually believe them without a second thought. These are the people that I am trying to wake-up with this post. Believe it or not, some people actually abandon everything they have learned throughout their life in regards to their religion, the universe and their God (whoever that may be to you/them, be it Allah, Buddha, Taoism, Jesus Christ or nothing at all, in which case this post does not even apply to you). I mean, they feel a little love and understanding and wisdom from psychedelics that they haven't felt before in life, and come to the conclusion that all that "religion stuff" is and always has been total bullshit, simply because they have not ever felt (or been shown) anything like that before. This is the harm. This is the trickery (unless religion truly is all bullshit). Decide for yourself, but not without careful thought. Your afterlife may depend on it. (or not)

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Cosmic Rift
#26 Posted : 1/24/2011 1:28:52 AM

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I'm not following you on this one. I don't see any harm in revelations. Confused

If DMT can help someone make practical sense out of a religion with the possibility of converting, I don't see that to be a bad thing. Although if they start thinking things like "aliens told me they rule the universe", it's an obvious problem. Theirs a big difference between making sense out of a trip and believing one.
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#27 Posted : 1/24/2011 1:52:58 AM

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DMT is released everynight in your sleep, one theory is, that the majority of your dreams you dont remember, you dont remember because of the power of that particular dream, and that the dreams we do remember are simply because less meletonin, seretonin, and dmt were released, allowing you to remember.
They have done studies and found, that certain diseases and parasites can cause a DMT deficiency in your brain, ultimately resulting in death, because the way the doctors put it, if you dont dream every night when you sleep then you die. and if you think about what a dream is, a dream might very well, and is very plausibly that a dream is our brain tripping every night when we sleep, and that if our brains dont trip every night, we die...


Wheres your proof that DMT is released in the human body during sleep/when in death?


DMT is just a drug. Nothing more, nothing less. However you perceive your experiences with this drug are your own to decide. If you want to think that these entities are lieing, then they are lieing, if you want to think they are spiritually enlightening, then they are spiritually enlightening, hell if you just want to have some fun and trip out, then thats what it is as well. I think the OP is thinking to deeply into it. That's cool though, thats what you choose to do.
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Wave Rider
#28 Posted : 1/24/2011 1:54:07 AM

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I'm not following you on this one. I don't see any harm in revelations. Confused

If DMT can help someone make practical sense out of a religion with the possibility of converting, I don't see that to be a bad thing. Although if they start thinking things like "aliens told me they rule the universe", it's an obvious problem. Theirs a big difference between making sense out of a trip and believing one.


That's kinda my point. There IS a big difference between making sense out of a trip and believing one. Some people don't care to make sense of a trip, they just believe it (whatever "it" is). I don't think that's the case with anyone who has responded to my post thus far, but it could be the case with some of the readers. To them I say, "think about it". To the rest of you, you probably already are thinking about it. Carry on.

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#29 Posted : 1/24/2011 1:55:59 AM

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Wave Rider wrote:
The harm to which I am referring are the epiphanies one sometimes gets on psychedelics such as "There is no God, he is really just our collective consciousness" or "We are all descendants of an alien race" or any other ridiculous "secrets" of the universe that may be shown to you while on psychedelics. Some people actually believe them without a second thought. These are the people that I am trying to wake-up with this post. Believe it or not, some people actually abandon everything they have learned throughout their life in regards to their religion, the universe and their God (whoever that may be to you/them, be it Allah, Buddha, Taoism, Jesus Christ or nothing at all, in which case this post does not even apply to you).



Who is to say that religious scripture has any more truth to it than what a psychedelic trip says? The church told you? Religious scripture has always been revealed through us by some type of ecstatic experience whether it be channelling, dreaming, extreme mental and physical stress, etc. Psychedelics have been used by countless cultures for thousands of years and are no doubt just as valid.
 
Wave Rider
#30 Posted : 1/24/2011 1:56:38 AM

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DMT is just a drug. Nothing more, nothing less. However you perceive your experiences with this drug are your own to decide. If you want to think that these entities are lieing, then they are lieing, if you want to think they are spiritually enlightening, then they are spiritually enlightening, hell if you just want to have some fun and trip out, then thats what it is as well. I think the OP is thinking to deeply into it. That's cool though, thats what you choose to do.


This is a valid argument as well.

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Wave Rider
#31 Posted : 1/24/2011 2:09:56 AM

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Elf Machine wrote:

Who is to say that religious scripture has any more truth to it than what a psychedelic trip says? The church told you? Religious scripture has always been revealed through us by some type of ecstatic experience whether it be channelling, dreaming, extreme mental and physical stress, etc. Psychedelics have been used by countless cultures for thousands of years and are no doubt just as valid.



Another valid argument above ^.

I've read somewhere (forget where) that the religious "God experience" or religious visions can actually be attributed to spontaneous release of DMT in the brain for unknown reasons. Again, no proof just more food for thought. I imagine that could be pretty powerful to a person if it came out of nowhere for no apparent reason. I could see how that could be interpreted as a divine vision or a meeting with God by some unsuspecting ancient. The only fact about all of this is - we can only speculate.

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