The only problem I have with that statement is who will determine who is a nazi?

He scares me to. 16% of american's believe Obama is the anti christ....Almost certainly all Glenn Beck fans.

Serious allegation there...care to back that up? I'm an American that doesn't want a free ride and I utterly despise the man you speak of. His hate talk is turning america against itself.



No is message is utter non sense...and he does advocate killing people he doesn agree with...watch the video to the end. You believe this guy? WTF?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3J_QLtYqlk




Well as an American I thing we can do a little better than that. I bet you feel entitled to firemen, police force, army, school, etc, etc, etc. Or maybe you'd just prefer we all have our fireamrs and then it's just everyman for himself?



...and so many more come here because this is the land of opportunity. Your statement smells of deep racism to me....I grew up in the deep south and can smell that stench quite well.



I'm also a proud libertarian that takes care of my family and you and I have very little in common if you believe Glenn Becks crap. Might as well sign up for Sarah Palin TV while your at it.



Well unfortunately it's part of living in a civilized society. We all vote and determine the rules that we live under. I don't like everything in my country either...but at least we can change it. Try afganistan out if this country isn't working so well.


Back that up. because I believe you are right...but that 50% is mostly business owners and those without jobs. And yes I think the elite rich should pay more in taxes...they caise a greater drain on resources and should thus pay more.




No Glenn beck is a scum bag.. The link above has him straight up talking about killing Michal Moore. He's is a fucking tool.

Hey go ahead keep drinking the Kool-aid...Go Glenn Beck.

WTF?

I agree with this statement.
Are you insinuating that Glen Beck is a nazi?

I know that Glen Beck stands firmly behind the American priciples and beliefs that led us into WWII to defend and liberate the Dutch and the rest of Europe and to Destroy the facist nazi dictatorship.

polytrip, you of all people should know what a nazi is and isnt. The very city you live in was occupied by them not so very long ago. Thanks to America you are not occupied anymore.

Simply calling a person a nazi is a very offensive and vulger thing. I dont believe you even truely KNOW who Glen Beck is and what his message is.

So why say this?

Pleas stop.. You are embarcing the rest of us American's. Try reading world II history from a different point of view....seriously.

"you're going to have to shoot them in the head" - Beck i linked to the right wing version that has the full clip, but he is basically inciting violence. There is no reason to even use language like that.

Beck inciting people resulting in threats on a university professor

for fun, here is a collection of him saying very polarizing things, and generally being a dick, and i think he mentions a list of people he wants to hit over the head with a shovel at one point

lol joedirt you got me I cant even begin to respond to your post. I never should of got into a discussion about political views. I cant answer your post the way i want to because I dont have the desire to be on a computer typing that much.

I do respect your opinion. I dont like being called a racist. A racist I am not. Funny you say that. I am married to a black immigrant from Brazil. Who is now a naturalized American citizen. I have a wonderful beautiful son who is a dual national.

Fuck I dont even have to explain myself to you.

You actually just make my case against people who post all the diragatory stuff about Glen Beck. You just call me a racist based on the fact that I happen to like Glen Beck. You dont even know me.

funny..... I voted for Obama.

A racist voting for..... a black man.

I've seen the links you posted narmz they are taken out of context. Glen beck does not advocate violence against others. Period.

Every one is entitled to there own opinion.

joedirt is, icehouse is, and so is Glen Beck and just because you dont like his message doesnt make it wrong.

Wealthy, white, conservative Americans want to see their fellow human beings in a particular way because it allows them to guiltlessly abdicate responsibility for many of their less fortunate fellow citizens.

I don’t think that most people who are living in poverty are happy about their situation and go to bed every night laughing about how they’re taking advantage of the system and getting a “free ride”.

There are many people in our society who, in one way or another, are broken. Hopeless and forgotten. What opportunities do such people have? What do more fortunate members of society owe them, if anything?

Some political groups focus on how the government restricts their rights as citizens, but do they really want less government intrusion? It’s clear they want less government intrusion in their lives, but they’re often very supportive of more government intrusion in the lives of others. They want lower taxes and less government oversight of business practices, but they’re quite content with things the way they are regarding, oh…, for example, drug laws.

Lice are parasites. Tapeworms are parasites. People are not parasites. I don’t think there is a human being alive who is so lazy that he is willing to suffer through poverty, hopelessness, and despair simply to avoid contributing to society in a meaningful way.

Many (most?) illegal immigrants come to this country seeking opportunity. They’re not here to live a life of government-subsidized luxury. They’re willing to work at jobs many citizens wouldn’t consider doing. They want better lives for their children than they had. How are they different from everyone else?

It’s true that there are many very poor people who don’t pay taxes. But there are also many very wealthy people who don’t pay taxes. Tax laws were written by the wealthy for the wealthy. Finger-pointing at the poor is a tactic to draw our attention away from those who benefit most from our society.

Glen Beck and others like him lack compassion. Compassion isn’t about helping just those who you think “deserve” help, it’s about helping all of those who actually need help, even if you don’t happen to like them very much.

( Edited to be less inflammatory...like any of us need more of that )

I'm sorry I was completely wrong about you. I was out of touch to call you a racist based on your statements about most illegal immigrants being here for a free ride...had nothign to do with you liking Glenn Beck...

BTW What about that Glenn Beck video where he flat out talks about killing Michael Moore?

Seems you'd rather attack me (the source) that defend your stance....

Seriously my bad for calling you a racist. It was wrong and I should not have done it.

Why do I have to read it from a different point of view?

Wich point of view would that be Yours?

Hmmmm .... as an American or better yet, as a human being am I not entitled to my point of view.

What is a point of view?

Am I wrong for having the point of view I have?

What makes my point of view wrong and yours right?

Thats interesting.

My point of view is wrong because ..... you dont agree with it?

My point of view is an embarassment and your point of view is right.

ok

then I'll just shut up.

No Dude your point of view is wrong because history doesn't agree with it.

Why read it from a different point of view? Well how about this: The truth is the most important thing. Weather our initial assumptions turn our to be true or false should be of little significance. The only thing that matters is arriving at the truth. Picking one view and defending it to the exclusion of others is not finding the truth. It's chosing to remain ignorant of the other side.


What more is there to say. You asked for people to verify that Glenn Beck has insighted violence and we provided said proof...and then you just dodge the isuess and take issue with me?

I said one thing about you 'sounding' like a racist when you say something like most immigrants are here for the free ride....

And then I ask you to please stop because you are embaracing the rest of us Americans.

..and the best you can say is




Again. I respect your right to a point of view. I don't respect that fact the you think you only need one point of view.

I'm done with this...for my own sanity.

I am not out to attack you joedirt. I dont agree with the things that people say on these boards about Glen Beck.

I know that Glen beck has said many things that can be taken out of context. So has Michael Moore, so have you and I. So has our president Barrak Obama.

I dont believe that Michael Moore advocates the use of violenece and yet I'm pretty damn sure I could find plenty of quotes from him suggesting that people from the Bush administration should be shot.

Sorry if I'm driving you insane joedirt. I respect your point of view. There is no doubt that my point of view in part comes from ignorance and a sense of entitlement based on the life that I have lived thus far.

I am very tired of the ugliness I see in the divided America the ugliness comes from the right and the left.

Blaming Glen Beck for the problems we have in America is BS. The problem is Corruption on both sides. Michael Moore is not to blame for that either.

The Republican Party is and the Democat party are. Both are corrupt as hell.

Glen Beck and Michael moore are messengers. Dont shoot the messengers.

Glen Beck and Michael Moore pander to certain people's political persuasions for personal gain while fucking up civil discussion (my evidence is this thread).

They are charlatans laughing all the way to the bank (they also help keep those corrupt institutions in power).

I generally try and steer clear of the political debates around here - not because I don't have an opinion, but because it's such a loaded topic that gets out of hand so quickly. I mean, let's face it - civil discourse in the U.S. political arena between the left and right is dead. Both sides have certainly contributed to this, and while the right is always quick to trot out Michael Moore and Keith Olbermann as examples of hair trigger sensationalists (which they are, I readily admit), liberals can't possibly compete with the level of hyperbole and calculated polarization that comes from the other side.

I've got no beef with you, Ice House. I've always had a certain fascination with you, in fact - as a combat veteran who is now able to sack up and face hyperspace - after all you must have seen and experienced...? Really, that boggles my mind. I can't fathom the places you've been on this plane. How you're able to find peace on that one is really a compelling mystery to me. But I think we're very different, you and I, when it comes to personal politics. I do find sweeping generalizations about immigrants looking for a free ride to be racist or jingoist in nature. I mean, take a look at how Webster defines racism, and tell me how this doesn't apply:

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

I don't know how anyone categorizes any race or subset of peoples (such as immigrants or illegals) in such a way and claims not to be racist - and maybe we all are, to some degree... but whatever happened to "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door"? Never mind that it was all bullshit to begin with - that the U.S.A. was built on the blood and subjegation of people of color - but when a nation touts itself as leader of the free world and exemplar of democracy in action, don't you think there's a responsibility to at least try and live up to that ideal? I mean, this must have played some kind of part on some kind of level in your enlisting in the service to begin with, no?

I think that Glen Beck is a yapping, ignorant, sound bite spouting, hate mongering puppet of the right - just as I think that Rush Limbaugh is... and Bill O'Reilly... and Ann Coulter... and Sarah Palin... and and and... the list just goes on and on. I think they contribute mightily to the uglification of America - and I think there are millions of short sighted tea bagging nut jobs out there who take their hate speech as gospel.

Again, I'm really not looking to make an enemy of you. I've always enjoyed your posts. I just don't relate at all to your politics and views on immigration.

And another thing...

Am I the only one who cracks a smirk when someone identifies as a "tea bagger"? I may very well be alone in this, but I immediately think about dropping my pants and dunking my nuts in their pie hole.

Yeah Art, the term "tea bagger" always makes me chuckle. The whole tea party movement kind of baffles me; the only thing they all seem to have in common is that they want government to be by-the-people-for-the-people... but of course we already have that. The trouble is that all the people have bought into the notion of choosing between the puppet on the right and the puppet on the left, nevermind that they're actually dancing to the same tune. Not that I have a solution... As Robert Heinlein once wrote "Democracy is based on the assumption that a million men are wiser than one man. How's that again? I missed something... Autocracy is based on the assumption that one man is wiser than a million men. Let's play that over again, too. Who decides?" People collectively are at least as capable of poor decision-making as individuals are. So politics confounds me. On certain issues, I have very strong ideas about the form that certain policies should take; on other issues, I completely acknowledge that I am not sufficiently educated to know how things ought to be done (like economics on a national and international scale... I may have suspicions, but I do not feel that I'm informed enough to hold strong opinions). So I have no idea how a democratic government ought to operate in light of the fact that much of the voter base is not genuinely qualified to participate in the decision-making process on many crucial issues. Having a republic rather than a democracy is intended to ameliorate the issue in some respects, but it certainly doesn't solve it.

I also feel that I ought to clarify two things:
1.) I don't like Fox News in general. It's slimy and has a rather foul odor. I can't stand watching O'Reilly or (especially) Hannity. I just like Glen Beck because he's something of an enigma. He feels strongly about becoming informed, and to that end presents interesting information, and even talks a great deal of sense... then periodically derails totally into crazytown. It's fascinating.
2.) I didn't start this topic for people to start arguing and attacking one another. I was just curious if anyone else found Beck's rollercoaster from sanity to insanity and back again as fascinating as I do.

I barely even smoke weed anymore, but it sounds like it could be a good time to vape some stuff and sit down to this based on your summary of the show. One of my favorite things to do is watch/read/listen to far out people and try and jump into their reality tunnel for a bit. Seems like this show might be perfect for that. Not sure if I can get it past the wife though.

50 million people are without healthcare in the united states, to treat a broken arm at a hospital without insurance is about 3000 dollars. Many can't afford this kind of gouging (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/27/uninsured-americans-50-million_n_801695.html)

Illegal Immigrants that work actually give the real citizens free money. The ones that work and go on payroll and pay taxes don't get them returned because they aren't part of the social security program. This puts more money in the pool for the citizens (Esp Arizona) (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/02/AR2010090202673.html)

Your statement about half of households not paying taxes is different than what you perceive it to be I believe. They're not paying federal taxes either because they're not making enough money or their write offs and exemptions make them not liable for payment of fed taxes. This isn't a bad thing. It makes it so those who don't make alot of money don't pay much while those who make more pay some more. (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Nearly-half-of-US-households-apf-1105567323.html?x=0&.v=1)

I respect your libertarian views and in a perfect world a government that would do no more then put benches in parks would be great. However, we're in a huge mess due to corporate greed and basic things needed to live require you to have a full time job that you probably had to go in debt to get the degree to qualify for. Even then, you need luck. These large corporations rather just outsource the jobs. With unemployment as high as it is and the cost of living as high as it is, we need a strong central government. Obama isn't providing this, he's just another conservative punk. The healthiest countries are socialist, and its something we need to adopt, for now at least.

Outside of all that, I don't like Glen Beck. I don't think he is evil like Rush Limbaugh though.

religion and politics...religion and politics...

I know, but its hard not to talk about when they're destroying the life of you, your family and friends and the world around you.