okay.. so swim will be dosing pedro resin soon... swim remembers reading on the cactus resin thread that some people start off with 1 capsule and doses accordingly.. swim doesn't understand this method of dosing... doesn't one have to dose all at once since it takes 2-3 hrs for it to kick in... swim has dosed pedro many times but never with the resin.. always a brew with exact amount in brew... swim recently harvested whole pedro so has no idea how to dose... can someone please explain this starting off with one capsule and taking another, so on and so forth... also swim is going for the 500mg - 600+mg range for the mescal and is worried about spreading out dosing cus swim doesn't want to "peak" for 2 days,, a 15 hr peak and 24 hr come down is one thing..... although.. swim is prepared to fly for a few days if need be..

If I don't know the potency of my cactus, I just eat a gram every half hour until I'm where I want to be. If I don't feel anything after 90 mins, I double up.

If I know the exact potency I just eat all I need for the experience I want all at once.

so does it actually kick in faster as the resin than the tea??... swim guesses that he just doesn't understand how one can calculate where they are if it doesn't kick in for 2-3 hrs... is swim missing something here

I have always found dosing tricky with resin. Cacti vary so much in potency and making resin is in itself imprecise, so by the time these difficulties are compounded and I figure out the dosage for the particular batch, there's usually not enough left for a full dose! After having this happen 4 times, i decided to extract the mescaline, which is turning out to be more time consuming than I had hoped...

This doesn't help you much, though... given that i have had a fantastic experience on 7-8 grams of one resin and minimal effects from 22g of another batch, its sort of hard to advise you. What I decided to do was start with 10 grams, then after about 1.5 hours gauge the effects - if weak, i take 5-7 more; moderate, 3-5 more; strong, 2-3 more if I want a full on experience, or none if i am happy with the strength.

Vague and difficult to implement? welcome to resin... BTW I found the same thing with tea (obviously). In your post you seem to indicate that with tea you know the exact dosage - the same should apply to resin: if you know how much went in, and how much came out (the grams of resin), the math is quite simple. In practice, for me, it was never really so simple.

much luck and deep work,

JBArk,

PS i am guessing that tea kicks in quicker, as your stomach doesn't need to break down the resin, but rather extract it from the solution. By the same token, smaler pieces of resin are preferable, presenting more surface area for your digestive system to break down. I can't advise you about capsules - in fact, I cannot imagine trying to get resin into caps!! the resin I make comes out like rock candy. IOW, if your resin is liquid enough to put in caps, you have another BIG variable - how much water is left in the mix DRASTICALLY affects the weight...

JBArk

awesome.. thank yall so much.. the issue is definitely knowing the potency of this particular pachanoi.. it's 15-18 yrs old.. and was used as a "mother" plant... have always dosed with the arms and never the base.. the base is 3 times the size of the arms... and the core was bigger round than swim's wrist,, had to use a wood saw to cut through it.. haha... ... plus swim harvested the entire plant, so no way of knowing exactly how much cactus was used since each part of the plant was a different size... approximately 7 ft, but like swim said all the pieces of the plant varied in size greatly

as far as the capsules go... gonna try to powder the resin or make it into beads... maybe not even use capsules.. figured it would be easier.. but might be a bit time consuming.. put it in apple sauce maybe..let it slide on down..

so will definitely try the taking x amount of grams and dosing accordingly..don't think swim will start off with 10g tho.. but what the hay.... it's strange,, thinking about 10g makes swim's body feel like it's already tripping.. lol... maybe try soul food's method.. but starting higher gram wise

swim totally wants to do an xtract too but really wants all the alkaloids.. maybe one day.. swim wonders if it's really world's of difference

SWIM has had some odd results dosing resin, well the oddness came with the redosing not the dosing.

SWIM and 3 other people who have tried SWIM resin get effects to the degree of the amount of dried cactus used to make the FIRST dose of resin... ie: if the resin was made from 100g and half was taken then the effects of 50g of cactus would be achieved.

But notice the bold word, FIRST dose. While many people on the nexus talk about how there is very little tolerance with mescaline resin and it can be slowly consumed when SWIM or his friend tried it they got only very slightly stronger effects than the FIRST dose effects even when the redose is larger than the initial dose.

Ex: SWIM ate 4.5g of resin @ 3.5:1 ratio to dried cactus so ~15.75g worth of effects then ~3 hours later he ate 6g more resin (21g dried cactus).
SWIM has taken nearly a dozen of doses of cactus tea between brewed from between 10-50g and while they vary, 15.75g worth of cactus is always very different than 36.75g. The effects were that of 15-20g SWIM's guess.
SWIM's roomie and 2 of his friends went camping and complained of a similar problem. Mildly tripping then eating loads of resin and the effects not getting much stronger.

SWIM read this thread and thought that maybe it was the length of time between the redosing that lead to the mass tolerance buildup, it could be possible that if SWIM consumed his resin like soulfood said "just eat a gram every half hour until I'm where I want to be" then the effects would be the same as if he ate the resin with a short time between doses.

Resin is always great but SWIM thought that he'd mention that this may happen so none of your resin gets wasted.

Oh ya, SWIM wraps 1.5-2.5g of resin in a small portion of one of the plys of a kleenex and he has used rolling paper in the past as well and it works just like popping a biggish pill.

this is sort of strange..I havent tried resin, but if I simply eat more cacti 6 hours or so into the expereince I dont notice any tolerance at all..mescaline for me seems to take a while for tolerance to build.

thanks for mentioning... oh and thanks for the idea with kleenex... totally forgot about that... billion times easier than capsules..




swim is just curious but has never done a redose before with cacti... do you experience an increased intensity or does it just make the trip last longer??.. swim assumes since you say no tolerance that the intensity would actually increase??..how much does it increase in your experience... swim is sure it varyingly depends on the person tho with what q21 mentioned... ... swim wonders if because you experience no tolerance it's because you're sensitive to the mescaline?...just thinking because swim wonders if re-dose would be pointless for him because he is not sensitive.. of coarse there is really only one way to find out lol..


oh and thank you all so much for helping with this..

wow... swim says this stuff tastes like butt... hahah... said it's like a cross between caramel and cactus brew... gross!!... but much much easier to choke down than the tea... ..swim also said it went down pretty easy in apple sauce... swim said he took 15.8g spread across about 45 min... did some guestimations and figured the 15.8 was about 1 ft - 1.5 ft... swim is hoping that the resin is more potent than that of 1.5 ft in brew... swim said he'll get back to me and let me know how it went when he comes down from his tree of life..

Same for me. I've sustained a build in intensity by redosing up to 12 hours, then once I stopped dosing I was solid gone for another 16.