yeah, my monkey was thinking of doing that, but if he evaps the shellite that doesnt crystallise, he wonder is it will it be ok to try smoking aswell?

Well I know fuck all about Acacia, but I'll bet my lifetime supply (of bubblegum) that you're going to get sticky oily goo and that a lot of your goods are in your defat solvent if you didn't convert the alks to salt first, which you didn't mention. DMT in alkaloid form is soluable in the same NP solvent as the fats, so you need to convert the alks to salt, which is insoluable in NP solvent, before trying to defat. Evaporate everything down, including your defat solvent, redissolve the lot in acidic solution, defat with NP solvent, basify, extract with NP solvent. My two cents.

What SWIM did, and is planning to do, is this: He has two different extractions. One on Acacia bark and another on Acacia phyllodes. For the bark, he added the powder directly into his solvent, without acidifying it, because he read the DMT in the bark is in the form of salt, as it has not been converted to alkaloids, thus will not be absorbed by his solvent, as the fat alkaloids will be. Once he has done 3 defats on the bark, he will let it dry then add it into a NAoH solution of 1 tablespoon per 150mL, thus basifying to 13-14 pH. Then after he lets it sit a few days, he’ll do about 3 pulls with his solvent. On the phyllodes, he has not defatted them as he did with the bark. He has not put them through acidified water either, but just added them directly to basified water. After reading Noman’s post he plans too do about 3 pulls on this mixture with his solvent. The rest of what SWIM is about to say, is just speculation, please correct him if he is on the wrong track. He will freeze precipitate the solvent pulls and collect any crystals which form, then with the left over solvent, he will evaporate it and end up with a fatty goo. With this fatty goo he will either, recrystallise? Or if advised, run it through the basic acid-base extraction with the normal defat after acidified water. [u:8dd507449d]Edit:[/u:8dd507449d] Btw, thanks for all your help guys, i'm going through alot of confusion as the quicktek was designed for Mimosa and I have not ever heard of anyone using the quicktek on Acacia bark So what I am doing is basically experimentation.

Phyllodes are where most of the oils and fats are. They "need" a non-polar wash. Bark is fairly clean in comparison. The bark shouldn't need 3 washes. maybe 1 if SWIY really wanted to.

ok, so running the final product he gets from the phyllodes through a normal ab extraction with defat is his best option. will it still be worth freeze precip the pulls?

Can't hurt anything. You can always evap after. Where did you read that DMT in Acacia is is salt form? Also, I've heard that there is something else in Acacia that makes it unsuitable for Aya, but I can't remember what or where I read it. Do you know anything about this?

Swim feels like an idiot... its swims 3rd time extracting and finally decided to seek help in a forum. Swim followed vovin's extraction tek but also read other teks including marsofold's. Swims first and second attempts yielded almost nothing visible through evap alone. The third attempt (50ish grams bark) yielded a thin layer of sticky substance and some flakes. Doesn't seem normal. Acidic pH of 3-4 was recorded. Extract was defatted(i think). Basifying pH was recorded at 13-13.9ish. First pull with 20ml naptha was not "cleaned". It was simply drained into a vial and placed in the freezer. This is what appeared a few hours later... not sure if it is all dmt... can lye crystals precipitate out also? [img:1f43eadf7d]http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7288/dsc02382jl7.th.jpg[/img:1f43eadf7d] The second and third pull of naptha was collected and allowed to evaporate on a dish. This is the result... [img:1f43eadf7d]http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8776/dsc02379yu8.th.jpg[/img:1f43eadf7d] swim got bored and licked the dry plate and felt a slight burn/tingling sensation. Seems like another pathetic extraction by swim but this time it did yield something visible to the naked eye. what do you suggest swim do to improve yields or techniques used during extraction. Shouldn't one be getting more goods from 50grams of bark/? Thanks

Hard to say since I have no idea how much is in that vial. You should get somewhere around 1/4g from 50g bark. There's a lot of things that could have gone wrong - bunk bark, not powdered finely enough, inadequate agitation for the NP extraction, etc. Post some more details and keep trying - you'll get there.

[img:a97057bc56]http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9308/dsc02396on1.th.jpg[/img:a97057bc56] don't have a scale so not sure how much it is ehhh. if the dmt is recrystalized does the naoh also precipitate out of the naphtha too? and haven't tried to see if its active. how hard does one agitate? swim just turned the sep funnel end over end for a few minutes. thanks.

why dont you do an ammonia wash? ammonia dissolves naoh but will not dissolve dmt.

[quote:0395331738="Noman"]Can't hurt anything. You can always evap after. Where did you read that DMT in Acacia is is salt form? Also, I've heard that there is something else in Acacia that makes it unsuitable for Aya, but I can't remember what or where I read it. Do you know anything about this?[/quote:0395331738] Well I read it's in salt form in Mimosa, assumed the same with Acacia. Oh well, if all fails i'll just do it again with new bark and a proper a-b extraction. I read Acacia is fine in ayahuasca brews, where did you here it wasn't? I also did a google and found a couple of sites saying Acacia can be used in Aya. ---------------------------------- i read this is some ways to test for naoh on your product, hope it helps: 1) what did the extract look like; the crystal shape indicates purity; look for long clear 'blades' . Lye disrupts crystals from forming nice and organized, so you get 'cob-web' like crystal growth... 2) taste the extract on your tongue; it's bitter when pure dmt, but really acrid when lye is in there ... but you'd have to do a side-by-side comparison to know pure-dmt 'taste' from impure. 3) There is an easy way to test for lye on your endproduct, put a little DMT on the point of a knife and then put a torch flame (blue) on it. If it becomes yellow for a fraction of a second, there is lye in the product. If it stays blue, its clean. ----------------------------------- i did two pulls on the phyllodes mixture. the solvent came out yellow like piss. theres only about 150mL here and i put it in sealed glass jars and into the freezer. there is only about 50mL in each jar, i think ill take it out of the freezer now and evap until it's cloudy. how long does that normally take?

Hi all Quick question about the aftermath of the process. I've done an extraction on MHRB, naphtha into the freezer, then pour it all through a filter/funnel. I netted a good chunk of DMT (still drying, so I don't know the weight), but there was an absolute crapton still stuck to the mason jar it was in, when it was in the freezer. I scraped out a whole lot of it with a stainless steel spoon. But there's still a thin dust that's lining the mason jar. (It's a small mason jar -- the 16 oz kind -- so I can't get my hand all the way in there or anything.) How do you guys remove all of this? (Is it even worth it? Based on pure speculation, I think it probably amounts to maybe 50 mg of material...?) Thanks!

you could always smash the jar open.. lol. glass jars are pretty easy to come by anyway. otherwise maybe try refill with solvent shake and filter. ohhhhh fuck. i had two glass jars of the pulls i made. i was putting them into evap dish and one fell over. spilt all the contents only one jar left. DAMN oh well i just pured solvent into the bark micture anyway. is it true i can just wash my crystals/product in water to eliminate naoh? naoh obviously dissolves in water, but i assume dmt doesnt? would this not be a much better solution than ammonia?

[quote:fdcae5e8ec="mardybum"]is it true i can just wash my crystals/product in water to eliminate naoh? naoh obviously dissolves in water, but i assume dmt doesnt? would this not be a much better solution than ammonia?[/quote:fdcae5e8ec] No. Ammonia is a better solvent so it will clear the NaOH out better. Use freezing cold ammonia.

but if i cant find ammonia, i can use water wash as a last resort...? im just asking does it actually work? i evaporated the small amount of solvent i had left after my spill got a tiny amount of orange goo. i colncluded if there was a substantial amount of goo i would redissolve it in shellite and freeze precip it. but there was some tiny amount not worth worrying about. i scraped it up, put it in a pipe sandwhiched between some herb and smoked it. the first hit i took just felt and tasted like normal herb smoke, but the second hit i took was different tasting and harsher on my lungs, but strangely enough once it went into my lungs it wasnt harsh, im guessing it cooled down pretty quickly in my lungs, and it didnt even feel like there was smoke in my lungs anymore while i held it in. im assuimg that was dmt smoke. any other tokes i took were the same as the first. nothing happened really, i closed my eyes and sawy about 6 small rectanlges which just looked like burn spots like you would get from looking at the sun or a light, nothing interesting. anyway, i suppose that settles that maidenii and longifolia phyllodes are prety shitty in dmt content. time to extract from my bark. i defatted my bark a while back, and its been sitting in basified water a while now, when i did the pulls just now, the shellite was still clear when i separated it, unlike when i did it on the phyllodes it came out dark yellow. i put the c;lear shellite pulls from the bark into a baking pan onto my windowsill to evap and it STINKS. my whole room smells like a sweet sort of melted plastic or something. the phyllode pulls smelt like this up close, but did not stink up my whole room! anyways, i was surprised when it came out clear, hopefully that just means i defatted it well. anyways im gunna let it all evap, then take a look at what i get in the tray. if theres a good amount of crystals i might re-dissolve in shellite and freeze precip. btw, SWIM wrote all that^^ not me.

Thanks mardybum. I have just finished my own extraction and I didn't defat and didn't evaporate, but used freeze precip. I'm really curious how your extraction goes as mine didn't went that well. I'm very interested in how your crystals look like and how long it takes to evaporate your solution.

well, SWIM left the baking pan ihis window overnight. when he woke up it had all evaporated. he got a fair bit more than he did from the phyllodes, he tried scraping a bit up but it’s just yellow goo. hes going to do one more pull on the bark and use that shellite to redissolve the goo, then evap it a bit and freeze precip it. Hopefully SWIM will be able to visit the elves at least once its been about 2-3 hours in the freezer and there are white sort of... 'blobs'? forming around the sides of the glass, mostly around the sides up the top where the solvent doesnt reach. hopefully this is spice..

I think "blobs" is the correct word You can compare them with the very detailed photos Noman posted [b:5466f265e0]HERE[/b:5466f265e0]. So the yellow goo is pretty much a liquid? I let my blobs evaporate over night as well, but once dried, I could scrape them up in a fine powder. This powder was pretty potent, SWIM told me. He didn't use full dose yet, though. Redissolving and evapping/freezing sounds like the right thing to do. I don't have too much experience with the quick teks myself, but I would have done the same. Please keep us posted

Great to here yours i potent. Make sure you report when you try a higher dose. SWIM told me he will probably try smoking tommorow morning after he's filtered the crystals out. SWIM just sent me this reply in an email: Hmm, my crystals don't look like Noman's. Well it's hard to tell, there's alot of condensation on the glass, I can just see a clump has formed down the bottom. No, the yellow goo was not a liquid, but a goo, like snot or playdoh. The white blobs formed from freeze precipitation. What I did was, once the shellite from the first pull had fully evapped, I did another pull on the bark and added that into the pan to redissolve the goo. Then I let that evap down quite a bit until it had become considerably cloudy. Then I made sure all the goo had redissolved and poured it into my jar. There was still a thin layer on the bottom on the pan so I added a small amount of shellite, mixed aropund with my finger dissolving the thin layer, I noticed the shellite became cloudy as I dissolved the layer, and then poured it into the jar. The jar went into the freezer. I just checked it again and the blobs above the solvent have gone, or melted, now there is a small amount of crystals forming at the bottom of the jar. Yahoo! Looks like i'll get at least one dose out of it, maybe two! I had come to the conclusion I was going to get nothing. Here is some pictures of the jar from the freezer, you can see how small the amount of shellite I put in the jar is, as I evapped it down quite alot. [img:4913906810]http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8203/elfspice1we3.th.jpg[/img:4913906810] [img:4913906810]http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/89/elfspice2da2.th.jpg[/img:4913906810] [img:4913906810]http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5606/elfspice3hs1.th.jpg[/img:4913906810] That is DMT, right? Everyone else's crystals look different. Now, I put the jar back into the freezer, and plan to leave it overnight and filter the crystals out tommorrow morning and try to smoke. Is leaving it overnight going to precipitate more crystals? It's only been in there a few hours.

Leave it in there at least overnight but SWIM found he got a lot more after two or three days and the solvent became clear. If your solvent doesnt go clear but stays cloudy turn your freezer as cold as it will go. (do this anyway) Worked for SWIM.