Under current consideration by Commonwealth Attorney General in Australia -
- new Commonwealth drugs act schedule of prohibited plants etc....

http://www.ag.gov.au/www...ealthseriousdrugoffences
(Sorry if link didn't linewrap...)

Download the discussion word doc - bottom right of the page....
page 38 says, includes ALL PLANTS THAT CONTAIN DMT.....

(downloaded copy of the proposal - attached to this message as a word doc...>

Seems these people are either morons, or they plant to exterminate a
lot of native plants. Who knows what they have in mind, but it
seems like a pretty bad step in the wrong direction, to ban
all spice containing plants.

If you oppose this, the place to email your views to is

Criminal.Law@ag.gov.au.

If "We" say nothing - then DMT containing plants will be made illegal
in Australia.

Once here - probably elsewhere to - particularly countries that
call themselves the "Free West".

ALL POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!

Well there just considering it. I think when they realise DMT is everywhere they wont go through with it. Plus only a handful of people extract.

Hi 'The Ki', thanks for clarifying - I agree - under consideration and not law yet, but I don't share your confidence that the dim-wits will realise that spice is everywhere and therefore back down. More than a few legal eagles have their nose too full of Coke and mind too full of $$$ lust to have every heard of spice - it may end up being made illegal - "by ignorant mistake". Strangely, the AG's proposal is worded "All plants containing DMT and then names only one species. Nothing about the other species, and nothing about Australian natives, so it is possible they don't realise what this law will mean. Maybe, maybe not. Given how much wikipedia has to say about spice I bet they already know it is in our native plants. I think another explanation more likely, those pulling the strings will not want spice becoming widely available. While you may be right - only a few extract at the moment, that will NOT be the case very soon. For example, go to google and type - "Plants conntaining "... and note what Google's autosuggest - suggests... Mine suggested DMT as the top / most popular conclusion to that sentence. I suggest that the "Powers That Be" very closely monitor these trends, as well as product purchases volumes - for things like Shellite and pure NaOH. I suggest they are aware that the cat is getting out of the bag, in fact out of the room - when it comes to spice mining. It's probably intentional that the whole "plants containing DMT are illegal" bit is in the schedule - up the back of the report, and there's no discussion of the implications - in the hope of avoiding attention. I doubt anyone further down the power pyramid really knows or cares why spice plants are being made illegal, other than they were told so, as I can't see a "harm based" argument getting a leg up.

I hope you are right, but I am highly cynical of our establishment's motives.

I guess the point of my post was - if you care enough - send an email to the AG think tank,
explaining why it is really dumb idea to ban all DMT containing plants....

Via annonymous emailer of course ;-}

.

Seeing as it's a Commonwealth drugs act, will this apply to all Commonwealth countries?

I don't buy it, there going to wipe out native species because some people exploring their minds?

Hi Entheojen - it is Australia only as far as I know, but commonwealth countries do tend to move as a block on drug legislation, so if it gets through here, it is more likely to get through elsewhere.

The Ki - once again, you are probably right, I also don't see widespread wipeout of native species as on the immediate agenda, BUT - I do think it might put all the enthogen botantical suppliers out of a job, prevent cultivation and private possession of spice containing species AND it might just get the nexus and similar websites on the prohibited internet list - i.e. blocked from Australia. Oh, and it's not impossible that they decide to wipe out a few natives for the good of the nation, a bit like history repeating itself again...

I tend to think this expanded legislation is specifically designed to give a broad basis to act
against the growing enthogen community, in case it ever starts to get really popular.

Hopefully, a few timely emails, from a few intelligent people, will fix this before
it does become a real issue.

Why do politicians love to create black markets? Will they never learn?

If you give a shit about dmt one should do everything they can to preserve our ability to obtain it, no matter how small the threat.

I feel like that's all I should say.

I know in australia they're very obsessed with plants and animals that aren't native because of some plague's they've had of alien species that got introduced there in the past, like rabbits.

That may play a negative role. I belief importing alien plant-material is in fact already illegal in australia and new-zealand.

The bright side of this is ofcourse that they're keen on protecting native species, so they're not gonna eradicate all native DMT-containing plants. They may ban the harvesting of native plants though, in the name of conservation.

There are several acacia species growing in australia and experimenting with them would be very wise, if you're an aussie who likes to have acces to DMT. It's not thát unlikely that availability of mimosa or chacruna could become a problem. Even in the near future.

Australia has some of the craziest drug laws I've ever seen. I knew a guy who was born there and he was telling me about the analogue laws. Something about an analogue of H2O being illegal, and therefore you could (technically) argue that H2O is a controlled substance

Maybe the Aussie drug laws seems so outlandish to me because I'm Canadian

Australia blocks “prohibited” internet traffic? Are you sure you didn’t mean China or Iran?

What’s happening to our supposed freedom?

I am sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/..._censorship_in_Australia

I wasn’t doubting the truth of the statement, I was being facetious and doubting the claim that we Westerners still live in free societies.

okay now i understand where your coming from wingchun, guees you better make sure your in possession of some plants. Maybe get a friend to get them for you so they dont trace

Thanks all for comments....

someone I know picked up a couple of acacia cultriformis, and a few baby longfolia's that needed some TLC

and SWIM has already started building a seed bank of local Maideni, gathering from local resources
(and a few other Acacias, yet to be fully confirmed as suitable....)

I suggest if you had a native in your garden,
It'd be pretty extreme that they'd come and rip it out.
Very hard to retrospectively prohibit possession of something that has been legal property for a
while, without a very good justification based around "harm to society".

I still think it's time to get ready for the next level information warfare that's coming down
the pentagon pipe...

Holy crap, the proposal also includes Brugmansia and Datura spp!

These guys are morons!

So that's everything except glue then huh?

Have fun down under.

What next? Are our own bodies going to become illegal entities because we happen to produce this compound!

Can you put these people into mental health care institutions based on the fact they are becoming a hazard to themselves and the planet and those around them