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bluntmuffin
#1 Posted : 1/13/2011 9:46:13 AM

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Hello everyone. I've been doing a lot of thinking about cactus, and how to recognize potency.
Now I have limited experience... but building from the experience of others, as well as my own, it seems to me that the darker the green flesh - the more potent the specimen. I've taste-tested (I do understand that bitterness is only a rough estimate of alkaloid concentration) numerous Trichocerei, and without fail - darkness corresponded to bitterness, bitterness indistinguishable from alkaloid bitterness. It's also known that plants that are shaded (in general) will increase their chlorophyll content to absorb a higher ratio of the lesser ambient light. I posit that the increased chlorophyll content correlates with increased mescaline content.
Maybe the plants use this mescaline as an extra energy storage system, as a result of lower daily energy intake? If that's the case, then the Gibbs Free Energy of the mescaline reactions should shed some light on this theory. I do not have this data. If somebody would be so kind as to show this to me, I'd be very grateful. If mescaline was used for energy storage, then it should provide energy when it's enzymatically broken down into whatever it's broken down into.

I've also read of shade-stressing, where the plant is stressed by growing it in the shade for a year. This is probably the same thing. Although I think the stressing theory usually invokes 'plant defenses' to explain increased content. I've also noticed on my pachanoi that they become glaucous on the shaded portion of the plant. I'm unsure of the reason for this. I have also known peruvianus plants in full-ish sun to become highly glaucous. I suspect that is more a genetic trait though. If someone knows more I'd appreciate the input.
So some pictures of dark plants (which also happen to be described as very potent plants):




Photo showing a Pachanoi (2nd from right) with 4 other cacti employed by Peruvian shamans as "San Pedro".
This pachanoi was quantitively tested to be very potent. Information at image source.



This is Teo's favourite peruvianus clone.




This is Phlux's potent clone.




This is some of my pachanoi. This appears to be quite a potent clone. It was originally grown behind a south-facing wall, in the southern hemisphere. If I'm not mistaken, this is the position which will receive the LEAST sunlight of all four walls of the house. Please correct me if I'm wrong.




This was also one of my cactuses. It was extremely weak. It's very light in colour... I don't know how this one was grown. But it looks quite sun-damaged, and I suspect that's the reason for it's inferior potency.


Now what I am fully unsure of is if simply moving a full-sun grown plant into the shade will increase it's potency, or if it needed to be originally grown in the shade. If anyone has any plants that they know to be highly potent that were grown in full-sun, can you please post pictures? Or just simply pictures of highly-potent clones. Thank you very much. Smile


 

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bluntmuffin
#2 Posted : 1/18/2011 9:39:21 AM

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It's times like these when I prefer other forums. I spent a fair amount of time making a post that I wanted some contributions on. I included photos for visual appeal. And I spelled the words correctly. And then nothing. Nobody cares, or even bothers to correct me.
If this is not the forum for cactus questions, then please, kindly point out to me a cactus forum that allows extraction discussion.
 
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#3 Posted : 1/18/2011 10:07:29 AM

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No need to get angry/dissapointed, maybe the people who could have something to say just missed the thread. It happens you know, I know at least I already made quite a few threads that got 0 answers in the forum Smile

I dont have much experience with comparing cactus skin color or stressing to know if it really does make a difference, but it sounds interesting. Would be good to have this tested. For example you could just extract a part of the different cactus and then have a real count on alkaloids in each case.

If you do that, let us know Pleased
 
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#4 Posted : 1/18/2011 10:20:02 AM

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Thank you for replying. I appreciate it.

I have started so far by moving one of my pachanoi (there were 3 grown in identical conditions) - to a more shaded position. When the time comes, I'll perform an extraction on a weighed section and get a rough quantitative measurement on potency increase from a more shaded position. I anticipate this will take another few months or so. Unless there is marked darkening end of February.

The other plan is to explore infrared spectroscopy in the hopes of testing potency without harvesting a section. I believe it can definitely be done. Just need the dots to be connected with vigorous research. Very happy

 
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#5 Posted : 1/18/2011 11:43:50 AM

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While I'm at it...
3,4-Dimethoxyphenethylamine was found in this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/886445 - to act as a MAOI. I think that's what it's saying in the abstract (I can't access the full article on this PC). I thought this alkaloid was in cuzcoensis in appreciable quantities, but it's not. But it might be in a cactus... Pleased
 
 
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