ok. weed is awesome and everything but it's becoming old. looking to trade in my staple for something else, perhaps. anyone know of anything calming/euphoric/weed like to try? that can be used daily? interested in anything that's natural. teas. herbs. whatever.

pot has just become boring and almost annoying! my mind always feel cloudy. i don't want to quit, completely. i just want to cut WAY back so that it's fun again but i'm still a good ole addict and sobriety is sooo boring to me. i've tried sobriety out...for a couple years just to see what it was like. it was ok...it was just boring. so yeah...i like to be intoxicated. i just want to stay away from things with dangerous side effects/things that make people pawn car titles. i'm an addict but i'm not lookin for a new monkey. any ideas?

Caapi tea by itself is nice, can be used daily, and you'll never have to pawn your car title.

Wild Dagga - (leaf quids work well for me)

Kanna

Blue lotus (very mild)

what about Kratom? (not to be used daily tho)

Kratom can have some nasty long-term side effects that you don't want any part of

i've got what was called blue lotus on maya's page but it's not...it's blue lily. where can i get blue lotus that is actual blue lotus? i've read that it is a known problem with some vendors. they sell blue lily as nlue lotus or call them the same.

caapi tea sounds interesting. i've got another 100g or so of white vine. might just have to try that acolon. thanks. as for the kratom...do you (or any readers) have experience with it? does it actually cause i noticable, somewhat lasting effect? i'm all about natural so i'm willing to try it.

Such as? I've used it for a very long time in a daily for months straight manner and then a couple months off and never had one negative side effect. Not even "acute" withdrawal upon cessation of usage.

Some of my friends use alot of G. I use it occasionally, especially before sex. Be careful of it's addictivness though.

Not to be harsh, but I think its rather irresponsible to recommend GHB to anyone under any circumstance. I know a few people who were into the whole GBL/GHB, and a few of them have ended up with complete dependence on it and a fairly severe reduction in cognitive capabilities. It really is not something you want to get involved with. As far as your use Elf Machine, I hope that you don't get sucked into it and have good self control, take care.

I've noticed tons of vendors selling blue lily as blue lotus. The only places I know to get blue lotus is iamshaman and shamans garden, right now both of them are sold out.

In my experience, i cant substitute weed for anything, as it is my love When i want weed, nothing else will satify my hunger.

Ive been clean from weed for a long time, over a year, and if I can do it, anyone can man. Its as simple as just switching lifestyles. Its just because its been your routine for so long. Find a hobby, change up your life.

Best of luck to you man, and i can tell you its worth the trouble for the clarity of mind achieved. You can do it!

Just so you don't buy the wrong one, I've tried Blue Lotus (nelumbo nucifera): see report, to no effect. I am in the process of steeping it in wine for 3 days. But I'm not getting my hopes up.

GHB isn't anymore harmful than many of the drugs discussed on this forum. Secondly, I didn't recommend him do anything, I gave him information he can use as he chooses.

im tired of having a foggy head the next day, but by the evening its always so clear & fresh, ready to vaporize some lovely herb again... the cycle repeats...

I can attest to kratoms issues, which is why I did not list it.

Tolerance does build easily, esp with extracts, and addiction can occure, I can attest to it. It affects the opiate receptors in the brain (delta strongly and mu weakly from the information I have read). I personally do not recommend it for daily use.

OD's while usually not life threatening are just horrible.

The effects of kratom are usuaully subtle and in no way would be it a replacement for mj in my books.

A) Just because you haven't experienced side effects doesn't mean that there aren't any

B) South-East Asia has an enormous problem with people suffering such long term side-effects, with the working population specifically noted

C) Long-term effects include weight-loss, dark pigmentation of the face, muscle-aches, irritability, crying, runny nose, diarrhea and muscle jerking

D) It's one of those drugs that you must absolutely not take with an MAOI so if a Nexian asks what a replacement drug for marijuana would be, Kratom would be at the bottom of my list to tell them.

Going to second kanna, when used in moderation.

http://www.bluelotus-exp...at&l=1&cid=39292

it is righteous.

L&G!!

I am liking cannabis right now..alot..but not smoking too much..maybe every other night or so..if you are finding its getting negative then stop. I didint smoke last year for many months becasue all I was getting was negative effects after years of daily smoking.

I smoked some dagga yesterday that minxx had and that was kinda interesting and also kind of weird..it was stoning but I dunno what else to say about that..

Wild lettuce does nothing for me (maybe i should try larger amounts though) but some people find it very enjoyable.

About Blue Lotus/Lily

According to Erowid Nelumbo nucifera is Sacred Lotus, Pink Lotus

Nymphaea caerulea is Blue Lily of the Nile or Blue Lotus

The Blue Lily you don't want is Agapanthus africanus which has no effects

I personally enjoy Blue Lily of the Nile