drugs are bad mmmkay

You know, it's funny, that's what I almost posted to skinwalker, the Alan Watts quote, because apparently skinwalker has received a VERY CLEAR message. Maybe I should post it for him:

"When you get the message, hang up the phone."

Alan Watts

"When you get the message, and can remember it clearly, hang up the phone." - unattested

You guys are being very harsh and inconsiderate. Obviously hes had some unnerving experiences with DMT, he came here with his feelings because he felt you guys would be the ones who would care, the ones that would be able to help. I also feel he was trying to warn you guys of what he felt was a danger. Why not discuss this topic civily? You attack him because he attacked DMT, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind guys. You guys seem very offended that someone has a different opinion than you. "He said something bad about DMT, omg burn him. Heresy!! Burn him at the stake!" Thats what you guys sound like, seriously. To someone that is looking for honest opinions you guys sure dont help. You sound like a cult and someone is questioning it. So much for honest research of the compound. Sure the way he went about it was aggressive but he has strong feelings about this. Acting like assholes to him and just telling him hes got a subjective opinion and that its invalid is not helping anyone. The fact of the matter is that no one knows at this point if DMT is good or bad for you. Obviously this guy had a bad experience. You guys wanna cover his mouth and drag him to the back room instead of help him and nuture him.

THANKS GUYS, Im real fucking proud of you all! (When did the Nexus jump on its high horse and never get off, tsk tsk)

MAJOR EDIT: (sorry, didn't realize this was a 5 page thread. I read the first page or so, my response is to the first couple pages of posts. Just to clarify)

mattritt, it seems like you might have missed joebono's earlier, virtually identical thread. And the sequel...

This post is major Fail, you need to see the whole story (as pointed by ragabr in the above post to start understanding what is happening here.

This forum is littered with posts elevating DMT to a mythical status in the drug world. Users give their subjective opinions about DMT praising it to the high heavens and my thoughts on DMT are just as valid as anyone else’s. Maybe it is a magical molecule or maybe it is just as magical as vodka. I don’t know. I do know that the effects of the drug fit me like a lock and key. It gave me what I was looking for, the experiences were so damn personal and euphoric and philosophical that I started believing it was brought into my life for a reason. That’s some fucked up thinking. Imagine your reaction if heroin users or meth users spoke about their drugs with such reverence or believed it held that type of power. You would call them delusional, no?


Now many people get offended when I make such a comparison. If a drug or an activity consumes your thoughts, your activities, and your life, then maybe it has the propensity for addiction. I think many on this forum might fall under a broad category of addiction to psychedelics in general. Even Rick Strassman told me there are people who addict to these drugs. I was certainly consumed by them, thought about them all the time, and “integrated” my whacked out experiences in ways that perpetuated future trips.


When I posted regular glowing trip reports, no one ever accused me of writing the same old shit. The community enjoyed my ideas because it reinforced their DMT usage. Now that I post every few months detailing my negative thoughts about DMT, my writing is derided as repetitive and people pity me and tell me to seek help. Shit man, I think I’ve moved mountains to get to the clarity I am at today as opposed to last August. I am the only voice on this forum that provides a balance to the prevailing DMT mythology and my experience may be instructional for some. Take it or leave it.

Well no you are just one of many. You are however one of the only ones who does so in a confrontational manner, hence why you are met as you are.

I believe DMT is no more sacred than piss, though I do believe when it touches my brain I am happy I have evolved in such a way to allow the experience that occurs.

If you think by informing us that psychedelics can be harmful to the mind you are enlightening us, well let me tell you that's very old news ol' buddy.

As a pastey white English chap my skin is very easily burned by the UV rays. I don't stare up to the Sun and curse it's name. I just step into the shade

Well thats because you weren't writing the same old shit. You were writing great reports on your explorations of dmt that were hardly as repetitive as these types of threads.



They enjoyed them more i think because it was interesting writing and experiences you were talking about. These threads on the other hand are just the same old repetitive stuff as the last few threads you posted. I think they're telling you to seek help because you keep coming back here again and again after another troubling experience

Soulfood said it best: As a pastey white English chap my skin is very easily burned by the UV rays. I don't stare up to the Sun and curse it's name. I just step into the shade

Yep.



It's not magical. It's just natural.



Of course. People can get addicted to anything.

Joe you definitely have some valid points, I think it's reasonable to expect some backlash though when you go to a DMT forum and make a post saying "Fuck DMT".
I think this is the reason so many people fall head over heels for DMT, it's an experience that can't really be duplicated any other way. I agree there's nothing magical or holy about it, but there's bound to be some people who do feel that way. I mean if people can believe Lord Xenu is the source of all spritual pain because he decided to blow up some aliens in volcanoes, it's not too far fetched to think people will hold high beliefs about DMT as well.

Psychedelics seem to provide insights into the basic questions of human existence. These are philosophical drugs; in some cases they can even provide meaning and direction to one's life. I think a lot of users see psychedelic experimentation as a quest for knowledge and understanding. And through this quest, we are actually pursuing the highest goals of western society - even if the general public is mostly unaware of this fact. In my eyes this provides a legitimate basis for the psychedelic experience. That's why I knowingly break the law: because I am SURE that I am right.

Therefore I can accept your comparison between psychedelics and heroin only if I equate the thirst for knowledge and understanding with the desire to forget. (Which I presently don't.)

By the way, I very much welcome your idea that the "answers" psychedelics provide are nothing more than delusions. I would be VERY grateful if I could prove that without doubt. Then I could turn 99% of my energy to other areas of my life and probably live happily ever after. But unfortunately, I can't. I have to persist until I get to the heart of the matter.

If DMT is really a trickster, then we should find out how exactly it's fucking us over. If this is really true, then by uncovering its secret we could learn more about the nature of humanity (and possibly reality) than through any other means available.

I will leave it because you don't reply to what people actually say. Your whole post is a bunch of assumptions and claiming that other people have this or that opinion, opinions which haven't even been stated. Your last post references nothing but your own assumptions. You say you are a voice of balance to the "prevailing dmt mythology". I don't see you as that at all. What prevailing dmt mythology? You seem to be referencing your own mythology about it. And whatever ideas you used to have, you've changed your mind. That's fine, but don't think that just because you had unusual mythologies about dmt that there is a "prevailing dmt mythology" that you are de-mystifying.

Joebono- you make it sound like you are the only one, ever, on the Nexus to express the opinion that DMT is bad.First off I believe its the usage of this substance in certain patterns that can be bad.

Your opinion is perfectly valid but simply confirms what the overwhelming majority of people here already now-DMT as with most substances if used to excess (and that varies from one individual to the next) can have serious negative effects.

Im perplexed a little by your saying it is addictive;I grant you it can become a source of obsession for some be that as a result of positive or negative experiences but that doesnt equate to addiction.The truly addictive compounds are those which on balance give a predictable plesasure for the overwhelming majority of times they are taken.Obsession does play a part here to.

Personally if I had an intensely bad psychedelic experience (again!) it would make me steer well clear of such compounds for quite some time.I would feel no desire to be drawn-back to such turmoil of the mind anytime soon.

I'm not taking any one stance here but I'd like to know what does OP think of other psychedelics.

I can't believe the nexus has crumbled at the sight of a "Fuck DMT" thread...

B...b b b... but... you don't under stand!!!! He said the 'F' word!!! *GASP*

I thought we were better than to lower ourselves to the level of potty mouth...

ooooh... I need to lie down!

LoL

well spoken!

This is the new thread that never ends.