sorry,the text is in italian leanguage,anyway it describes how californians tribes has used theese red ants as visionary stuff..they ingested the animols still alive and than they puked them still alive. The shaman ususally hit the stomach of who ingested the ants to induce them to bite his stomach

http://samorini.it/site/...attive-tribu-california/

Thanks a lot, this is highly interesting! Here's Google's translation of the article, actually kinda good.

Whoa!! What alkaloids, I wonder?

Wow, that sounds quite unpleasant. I would think a better idea would be to get the ants to bite some dead animal skin or something and eat that.

lol why don't just mill em and eat with a spoon? XD maybe they have enzymes that selfdestroy the venom if you kill em..as many plants do like mustard seeds when crashed or laurocerasus leaves when crashed that release HCN

yeah exactly!

Community project: Let's do a cold-water ant extraction. What's the active principle?

That's wild. I'm very curious to know the psychoactives.

to be honest it sounds more like a radical scare-story or some mix of symbolism... It says he had to eat no only one stomachfull of 400 ants, (5 at a time by inhalation) but also multiple stomachfuls, and then afterward, to let the ants crawl up from inside him, without vomiting... wtf.

heheh yeah you right shoe..it sounds really as a wtf story but it come from a trustworthy site,maybe it doesn't really induce the entheogen effects but i think it's really what theese strange people do

"One after another, the young man could take up to 90 bullets for a total of 400 ants. These were to stay alive in the stomach, if any, would have died too young. After taking the woman's body moved vigorously young, I tapped my stomach, made him roll up and down on the ground, struck him on the sides, and thus they began to swallow the ants bite the inside wall of the stomach, all at the same time injecting their venom."

is this google translation error? or is the article just gibberish?^^^this^^^^^makes no sense, lmao

interesting idea though-probably be alot less boric acid sold around here if true

OK - here is the latest on this, as far as I can tell. How fascinating, wonderful, and wretched! It seems the extremity and hardship folks endured were as relevant as any entheogenic alkaloids (the ant gods inside of us?!?!!!!!). 'Boys' Ordeal' indeed - "....now you a MAN!"
Please read the attached.
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really nice document ljo,thank you for the find..so it seems to be an alkaloid that works as hallucinogen
anyway dg,this is what theese people do with red ants,yeah..it's very strange thing! lol
what swim hard understand is how they could release theese ants after they injected their venom,probably they eat and release 'em very fast,and the stomach liquid has no time to kill em.