This is not good news and the Miley Cyrus video on CNN certainly won't help matters. Can anyone recommend a good vendor of live plants in the US? This might be a good time to finally invest in the future.

-JM

Oh My Goodness! The terror!!! We better run for cover, for the Salvia MONSTER is coming to town! People are ACTUALLY getting high from a plant we didn't know about! Can you believe this horror?

I mean honestly how did Salvia gain such notoriety? This is nonsense in every way. Has anyone died? I doubt it, it lasts 5 minutes tops. Not physically harmful or addictive, and most people are so turned off after the first time they try Salvia I'm surprised it caught on in the first place.

Is outlawing it really going to help in any form? Gotta protect those spiritualists and dumb teenagers from 5 minutes of extreme confusion!

banning it seems to make it easier to blame a plant for Bret Chidesters death..at least that how it seems this all started in the first place..wasnt that he was already depressed and seeing doctors and on anti depressants etc..no his mother just wanted to look the other way and begin another witch hunt..

I dont even know of any other cases invovling salvia divinorum...I would say order your cuttings..it is such an easy plant to grow..anyone can grow it..

It is better to grow your own anyway than to support the sale of salvia extracts..the wide availability of extracts to anyone along with the way they are marketed works against it and it is also discusting in most cases. Grow the plant and make your own extracts.

There are certain vendors out there who should feel guilty for how they try to market salvia.

I was unaware of that case thank you.

It's totally unfair to even consider Salvia was the culprit in this single isolated case.
Seems like his parents were extremely upset and looking for something external to put the blame for their son's suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett's_law for those like me who missed it.)
Shame they chose to go so far, it's like a repeat of the "music killed my son/daughter" "video games cause violence" only with a more severe outcome.
The media must love upset parents, especially as a go-to-source for drug information.

im surprised its not already. i figured that dumbass kid would have got it banned. his parents went post death ape shit blaming the drug for killing their perfect happy sports playing boy!!!!

i may or may not live in the very first place in the usa to schedule it. its been defacto illegal for like 5 years here. nto that you cant order it. lots of nice stores dont ship it tho.

when i was 16 i tried very hardto extract and conc the salvinorin A. made some blotters for sublingual, way too strong extracts, and the like.

I'm not sure why you guys are seeing this article as bad news. Officially, in order for them to ban a substance, and especially make it schedule 1, the substance has to meet certain criteria: 1) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse. 2) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment. 3) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

The article we're looking at here is suggesting that none of those things are true of salvinorin. In fact, the article points to studies which oppose the criteria for banning a substance. The article is saying that good research is being done on this drug, and the article itself is being made public to educate people before over zealous people get their hands on trying to unjustly ban a substance, and spread lies about its dangers. The article even mentions the legitimate ritual spiritual use of the plant.

I'm actually really surprised salvia has been banned in as many places as it has. It was freely sold. There were obviously no gangs or street sellers or people getting addicted to salvia. Why would they make it illegal and criminalize innocent people who choose to use it? It doens't make sense, when virtually no one is suffering from the use of this plant. Plus, now obviously the only people who are going to sell salvia are DRUG DEALERS!

So now if someone chooses to use salvia they can potentially go to jail for years? Come on. It just makes no sense. I would think that if law makers are truly concerned about public health and safety, they would allow substances that are actually safe! Salvia has proven relatively safe, and has legitimate spiritual users..... so I would think if a person was potentially interested in experimenting with substances, (which almost everyone considers at some point) the governemnt should want people to choose the safe ones. But I guess not. Some people place salvia in the same class as heroin and meth.

Imagine I'm a person in a state where salvia is banned and I'm considering substance use , and I'm not sure what to try. Should I try salvia, a non addictive, non physically harmful, short acting, spiritual plant.... or should I try meth? Hmmm, well, it's all the same shit I guess, it's all schedule 1. I guess they're equally bad, I think I'll smoke up some meth, let's see how that goes. Besides, the guy I know who sells drugs tells me that meth and heroin are much more enjoyable than salvia.

Of course, a person educated by the government would never think that way because a person educated by the government really would think it's all the same shit without knowledge of the relative safety of salvia. The reason is the government really does push the idea that all drugs are bad, especially schedule 1. A person who takes the government's word for it would have no knowledge of the relative safety of salvia, nor its potential use as a spiritual plant. Well, what the heck, I'm a good kid and I don't want to go to jail. I guess if I don't want to get in trouble I could just do the legal thing and sniff paint. It can't be bad for you if it isn't illegal.

Oh, also note that the related article below the salvia article is "Portugal's Drug Experience: New Study Confirms Decriminalization Was a Success" I for one, am glad to see a well written article that points to actual studies done on this matter, and doesn't just blindly state one way or another, salvia is ok, vs salvia is bad. Of course, almost any user knows that salvia isn't addictive and without negative physical effects, but ones opinion doesn't really carry much weight to a law maker. The law makers will at least have to look at the real studies done on this.

The same is true for dmt, almost any user knows the real deal about dmt, that it is not addictive and by most accounts without negative side effects, but.... who is a person to have an opinion about their own life? Apparently, that's not allowed according to the law. It's going to take real scientific studies to dispute the schedule 1 claims that dmt, and mushrooms are addictive, without medical use, and unsafe. Kudos to Rick Strassman for kicking it off. I was disappointed in the spirit molecule movie that it didn't really point out something important.... that people aren't getting addicted, aren't suffering negative effects, and in fact have had very positive effects, and the effect on the person under the influence is not dangerous either. ie: a person under the influence of dmt is likely to simply remain still and lie down. A person under the influence of dmt is not a dangerous person. Nor did the fairly high doses he gave produce any kind of medical distress. All important points that oppose the entheogens place within schedule 1.

This brings forth a good point. I have heard Dr.Phil say Salvia is the next Meth, articles claiming DMT is the next meth, everything is apparently like meth these days?

But the thing that's really bad about this is the people who will try Salvia and think "hmm that was pretty harmless and tame compared to the media hype, maybe I WILL try meth after all, I mean how much harm could that do if they were exaggerating so much about salvia, and meth is supposed to be similar right?"

lol I hope no one would confuse meth with Salvia, but you never know

Sad, sad days. Glad I don't live in the USA. Land of the free, what a joke.

Is Salvia going to be scheduled? This didn't have any conclusive information... and an internet search is also inconclusive. If this is true anyone with the ability should emergency-order stockpiles to ensure a supply for entheogenic use.

i blame youtube and hanna montannas bitch lame ass!
FUCK!
I HATE stupid ass holes with no concept of common sence ar respect for the natual world running around the forge blind folded....
then they wanna film it for what? a pissing contest of the worst kind.
"my fucked up trip got more views" so lets run out and buy more but this time stonger and lets pack a more massive bowl this time. im not hitting it. shit im not.
lets get our friend to do it he will be fine and it will be awsome cause everyone will watch that shit. maybe we could be on G4 in viral videos and BLAH FUCKIN BLAH!
FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry guys i just had to get that out my system.
yes when younger and dumber i to filmed friends and friends filmed me but non of it made the jump to the tube.
these will be the same people who bitch the most when its gone and i can promiss most would not understand the role they played in it's prohibition. yet another striping of our right to understanding in the method we so choose so long as we endanger no one and sustaine an attitude of maturity and respect.
like i say
we need more:
PEACE
LOVE
and UNDERSTANDING.

I'm not sure this is really happening, because I cant find a bit of credible information about it.

It is being linked with the Arizona shooter...

http://www.prisonplanet....erful-hallucinogens.html

From the article: Arizona Shooter Was On Powerful Hallucinogens



So, he was smoking salvia in class? Either that or he found some salvia with an extremely long half life. Come on. This article is ridiculous. Whenever I'm in a situation where I'm not supposed to laugh, I sometimes have an barely controllable urge to laugh. I must be high on salvia. I must have been high on salvia when I was a child in the 1970's and I actually "spontaneously laugh(ed) out loud without warning" in church. The congregation was lucky to escape with their lives. Other articles say he would wear his ipod in class. Maybe he was listening to a comedy album when he would "spontaneously laugh out loud without warning".
Just like the article in which a former bush speech writer blamed the attack on cannabis use, this is just an example of politicians and the media taking any opportunity they can to demonize drugs.

i wonder what he ate for breakfast?
maybe that made him do it?
or maybe people should stop pointing the finger at at plants and other unblamible things.
remember when eminem and icp made those kids in columbine kill everyone?
or was that maralyn manson?
perhaps he played to much GTA and got confused?
or he could just be a crazy guy who happend to smoke salvia.
if the artical is true then wave goodby to deviners sage...

good thing smart people have been stocking up for a while now...

Get yourselves a plant. That's what I did. Get a mother, smoke her gifts, whilst it's still easy.