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Tangarine_Dreams
#1 Posted : 12/9/2010 6:36:38 AM

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i just dont get why i cant use as much lye as is needed to make the base liquid ph 12-14. why do i need a 11 ratio of it? i have ph paper, i know how to test with dyed liquid.

is there actually a reason for this? it seems an element from before our beloved supper pulverized mhrb.
 

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#2 Posted : 12/9/2010 8:30:43 AM

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Specially because it helps prevent emulsion. Also it depends on solvent used: If you use something like xylene or other 'better' solvents for dmt, then a lower pH (say, 12) can work fine because it will dissolve dmt very well... but for a solvent like naphtha, which doesnt dissolve dmt sooo well, you want a higher pH because then it increases the 'desire' of dmt to migrate to the non-polar solvent.

Lastly, it helps break up bark, further releasing dmt (though I also suspect for powdered bark it wont help too much since the dmt is mostly exposed with the large surface area anyways..). But only side-by-side testing would say if it really makes a difference in yield or not
 
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#3 Posted : 12/9/2010 10:57:48 AM

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Tangarine_Dreams wrote:
i just dont get why i cant use as much lye as is needed to make the base liquid ph 12-14. why do i need a 11 ratio of it? i have ph paper, i know how to test with dyed liquid.

is there actually a reason for this? it seems an element from before our beloved supper pulverized mhrb.


Well, to raise your pH as high as 14 you will need a lot of NaOH anyway, quite close to 1:1 ratio. I believe this ratio is chosen for the sake of simplicity. Not everybody has/uses pH paper or pH meters.

STB is messy and inefficiend chemicals-wise. Extracting 100g of mhrb with an A/B you'll use a few grams of NaOH instead of ~100g with an STB.
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#4 Posted : 12/9/2010 2:32:11 PM

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Tangarine_Dreams wrote:
i just dont get why i cant use as much lye as is needed to make the base liquid ph 12-14. why do i need a 11 ratio of it? i have ph paper, i know how to test with dyed liquid.

is there actually a reason for this? it seems an element from before our beloved supper pulverized mhrb.

Iโ€™m not sure what the minimum is for STB, but one of the many advantages of an A/B extraction is how little lye is required. My last extraction of 300g MHRB needed less than 50g NaOH.
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#5 Posted : 12/9/2010 2:51:05 PM

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Which pH gibran did you aim for gibran ?
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