so i aim to make the best, most concentrated, minimly processed aya ever my plan is as follows: ayahuaska crushed put thru water extration w/ herbal perkolator (cold extraction through filter) simmer down to concentrated form just before it begins to thicken significantly. mimosa processed same then both frozen and thawed and strained. then mix with a lil lemon concentrate. then take and make in infusion (tea that is made at low heat overnight) of choliponga. to all be taken seperatly as mini shots. before (or after) those whole seeds of black pepper, syrian rue and datura swallowed with yerba mate, or other mild stimulant tea...so any ideas on how to make it better or advice on dosage? or other ideas on the subject?

ive never used an HP but there is one thing that stands out to me in your plans.

cut out the freezing and filtering step. for one there is no need to pour through a filter after freezing. all the particles will have settled on the bottom forming a fine sediment. however, there will also be a very significant decrease in potency when this sediment is removed. personally ive never gotten off the ground with the multiple freeze filtered brews ive drank not once.

i imagine your adding this step to decrease nausea but there is a better way. if you simply add a cooked egg white to the reducing brew the tannins, the main cause of the nausea, will be removed but the good alkaloids will not. its very easy. i even posted some pics in the aya sub forum on tannins. if you decide you try this let me know if you have any questions.

good travels my friend

I also remember reading somewhere not to use lemon juice as your acid source.

very true elf machine thats from taste standpoint. some say lemon makes the brew even more bitter.... if thats even possible!

so should i not filter after initial filter step?... what acid would be preferred over lemon?

do all your percolating and run the combined liquid through a t-shirt a couple times. then start your reduction adding the egg whites.

also your wording about reducing makes me wonder if you understand it right. your not trying to get anything thick and syrupy at all. ideally it should still flow like skim milk even reduced way way down. read up on that part maybe before you go for it. it sucks ruining your hard earned brew in the final steps.


for acidifying use vinegar. add 2 tablespoons per gallon of distilled h20.

hope that helps

i understand the thickness thing as far as reduction, though i have noticed a certain amount of increase in sediment/thickness when the brew is all the way reduced...if its just a matter of taste and the difference of lemon to vinegar ive had better taste response to lemon in the past...maybe ill do one thinner and one thicker and one with lemon and one with vinegar of each and then ill have 4 variants to compare?...ill have to set aside a week or two to follow thru with all that thanks for all your input! any other ideas?

yes there will be a higher ppm (parts per million) in the reduction. in other words a higher concentration of material but it cant be more sediment all together. thats impossible.

the liquid will appear more dense but should stay thin none the less.

i think you have a good understanding of what your doing. keep us updated as to how things go if you would. it keeps everyone motivated to lend a hand when we hear updates. good or bad.

Just because it is so important: NO LEMON.

i dont get it? why NO LEMON? as it has been explained thus far its just a flavor prefrence, is there something else at work here?

The best way to go is to learn the vine without any admixture, so once you learn your threshold for psychedelic MAOI-only effects, you can judiciously apply (DMT) admixture to deepen the experience.

With all respect, until you are confident enough in your brewing technique to do it blind, it would be unspeakably wise to stay away from datura and stimulants. How can you determine what additional admixtures are necessary if you have yet to complete a brew successfully and understand experientially how it interacts with your body?

Part of what makes the best Aya experience is the element of sweet rejuvenation--not abject terror because you brewed blindly, unaware of optimal ratios for your body, and added a bunch of other herbs that could make you potentially very ill or freaked out. Please take care! The rewards for moving slowly, methodically, intentionally, and with great care are infinite.

I also strongly caution against mixing MAOIs (Aya and Rue), especially if you have no idea how potent your Caapi is.

Are you starting with powdered caapi already? Shredded? Whole?

If you're using shredded, I'd suggest doing 2-3x3hr boils, then basifying it with lime until the alks drop out and giving the alks a rinse or two. Not to many processes can I see being easier or quicker than that.

However, I would hardly call it "the best" aya. Just the fastest.