hi everyone, its been some time!
i have been thinking of this way to hopefully isolate the actives in san pedro/achuma without any chemical intervention. so i propose one would deskin/despine and remove the outter 3- 5 mm of green flesh, take said flesh and juice it. this juice can be dried using a dehydrator and will make a resinous tar, whilst your green flesh pulp is collected in the juicer. if the pulp is active, it can be combined with the rest of the cactus innards for a resin in a crockpot concentration, or something chemical if one is so inclined.
regardless the potency, i would theorize that much of the actives can be found in this dehydrated outter skin's juice.
somebody test this one out, itll take SWIM sometime, but eventually someone will have tried this.
GOOD LUCK

Hi Suicybe. I remember reading some of your posts in one of my nexus read-a-thons before I started posting, its good to see you around. If I ever get my hands on a juicer I might give this a shot... I think freeze/thawing before juicing would be a good way to get more out of the pulp. Maybe freeze/thaw/juice, then add a little amount of water to the pulp, freeze/thaw/juice again. I wonder how much junk could be left behind by not heating the cactus?

^^I've thought of the same thing. I think it would be an interesting and worthwhile experiment to carry out.

ok so what about taking that 5 mm of green outter flesh and dehydrating it, powdering, and saturating with everclear (food safe solvent) let it sit, agitate, let sit, pour the sludge into the juicer and have it remove the pulp for your leaving you with instead of a water based solution, an alcohol based. this could be reduced to whatever amount and drank/ reduced further into tars. potentially defatting is out of my league , if anyone could offer an entirely food safe method to go along with this whole non toxic approach that would be great. feed back rules.

Brainstorm:

freezing before drying and powderizing should help destroy the cell walls, releasing actives. ime drying halfway before freezing helps prevent all the cactus liquids from spilling when they thaw.

food safe defatting: acidify solution with lemon juice, mix well with veggy oil, discard oil layer containing oil soluble cactus fats. Heat would probably help because veggy oil is pretty viscous at room temp. Also, defatting would have to be done before the addition of alcohol since alcohol is miscible with water and nps. Would veggy oil add any contamination to the aqueous cactus? Maybe test by mixing the oil in question with distilled water, then evapping the water layer to see if there is any residue.

I believe alcohol extraction works very well, and can be made much more time efficient with microwaves (search MAE extraction), but since alc is such a good solvent for most everything it extracts a lot a crap. I've never tried a cactus alc extract so thats all from word of mouth.

maybe try:

powderize cactus, add a very small amount of h2o, freeze, thaw, add lemon to acidfy, defat with veg oil, add everclear, put through juicer or maybe just decant, evap to super resin.

this makes me wonder if anyone has tried defatting acidified tea with veg oil... I'm quite sure one of the nauseating compounds in the tea is not mesc, it has a very distinct smell and taste. I wonder if the nasties are fat soluble?

I have tried juicing it. Not much was left behind...the juicer basically created cactus purree.

when you juiced what type of juicer did you use and did you just use the green part?

defatting with veg oil sounds interesting, instead of wasting time with lemons we could just put a pinch of citric acid in the solution.

was there any pulp left after your juicing of only the green outter layer?

Tried the white flesh. Why do you think that there'd be a difference?

the outter green layer (3-5 mm outtermost layer, minus waxy skin and spines) contains the highest concentrations of alkaloids in the cactus. during old school knife and air dry techniques only the green layer was eaten, the core was discarded. that in conjuntion with my own preference of alkaloids to nausea ratio. i have no interest in using the white layer for anything but an extraction with a solvent (water, vinegar, orange oil, etc)

im still curious to see if the green layer will make a fairly active liquid, that may be dried for further concentrations

will have results posted by january

the outter 4 mm of deskinned green flesh of 2 foot cuttings of achuma were blended, let separate, the liquid evaporated, the pulp left to decant/drip more (without squeezing through a cloth as to not get grossenss in the pure brown goo to come)

the goo is very active, even on 1/10 of the 2 feet of (just) green flesh that was used, effects were noticable. on a third of the two feets worth of goo, i took an adderall and had a very interesting intergration of my subconscious to my consciousness. it left me feeling not to do that again, but also that i had been more solidified in myself, a unique experience, one i wont repeat.

its a potent medicine, with out the need of heat, acids, bases, or gross solvents
just a pie dish and a blender, the foam can be scooped off the top and used somewhere else



it would be good to have someone break down the yield of this comparable to a ABA

i was very surprised

give it a whirl, it reduces nausea entirely if taken in small globs and chased like swallowing a pill.