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Anybody already heard about this? Anyone from France to expand on the real momentum of this thing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...;feature=player_embedded"I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong." and "Sanity calms, but madness is more interesting." Bertrand Russell
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interesting... i wonder how much steam there is with this movement. i have relatives in france, will have to ask....
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When/if those banks collapse, how many of their own citizens lives will they have ruined by taking their jobs away? Most think, "bank" and imagine fat cats in suits at their oak desks with cigars, but what about the million strong, small time employee's whom work for the bank whose lives will be effected if not ruined by a mass shut down such as this? When you look at it from a broader perspective, if ruining the banks does work, the hundred million others living in France will be better off, does this mean there is some acceptable amount of casualties when it comes to war or revolution? I agree that this is a simple way for a lot of people to do a lot of good, but if we actually worked together instead of attacking each other, we would all be a lot better off. The corruption we see in power right now stems from men, and like all things mortal, it to shall die. New generations take over, never with the same opinion as the last. Do not listen to anything, "Steely" says. He is a made up character that his owner likes to role play with. His owner is very delusional and everything he says is completely untrue and ridiculous. Hate is the choice of a clouded mind. -"It takes humility to remember who we are"- "There has to be evil so that good can prove its purity above it." - Buddha
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Steely wrote:When/if those banks collapse, how many of their own citizens lives will they have ruined by taking their jobs away? Most think, "bank" and imagine fat cats in suits at their oak desks with cigars, but what about the million strong, small time employee's whom work for the bank whose lives will be effected if not ruined by a mass shut down such as this?
When you look at it from a broader perspective, if ruining the banks does work, the hundred million others living in France will be better off, does this mean there is some acceptable amount of casualties when it comes to war or revolution?
I agree that this is a simple way for a lot of people to do a lot of good, but if we actually worked together instead of attacking each other, we would all be a lot better off.
The men in power right now are just that, men, and like all mortals they to shall die.
New generations take over, never with the same opinion as the last. The banking system is a parasite leeching off everyone, stealing peoples wealth, destroying economies intentionally to make a profit. Things would be much better if we didn't have this fractional reserve banking system using fiat currency. If you could choose for something like the war on drugs to end tomorrow, would you not end it because of all the people that would lose their jobs if it was ended? *The above text represents a fictional alter ego, none of it is based on the experiences of a real person.*
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." Oscar Wilde
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People hold in their hands a chance to work hard and fix what's broken, instead they have chosen the easy way out by simply tossing it out like trash because we can go get an updated system. Changing the system doesn't change the corruption within it that caused the problem in the first place. Good will find its' place above the likes of evil, but in the meanwhile evil will do everything it can to survive. Easy solutions, this one included, are not long term. Autodidactic wrote:If you could choose for something like the war on drugs to end tomorrow, would you not end it because of all the people that would lose their jobs if it was ended? If I was in a position to end the war on drugs, I would revamp it, not demolish it. It has obviously turned out to be an utter failure, but the idea is good; keep unsafe, and harmful substances away from our innocent little society. A million people pull their money out of the banks, even if it were a million per bank with the intent of shutting every last one down, what of the massive chunk of a hundred million people who can no longer get their money from the banks because the banks have no money to give? Do not listen to anything, "Steely" says. He is a made up character that his owner likes to role play with. His owner is very delusional and everything he says is completely untrue and ridiculous. Hate is the choice of a clouded mind. -"It takes humility to remember who we are"- "There has to be evil so that good can prove its purity above it." - Buddha
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Yea... doesn't seem like a great idea to me. Rather short sighted in my opinion.
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the world bank is a fraud. How can anyone be expected to take the banking system or economy of which it drives seriousily?..the apparent worth of the bank itself is a funny number a bunch of people in suits made up..too bad we are dependant on a pretend number these days  ..thats the worst part.. Long live the unwoke.
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Posts: 162 Joined: 15-Aug-2010 Last visit: 08-Nov-2013 Location: Colorado
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Steely wrote:People hold in their hands a chance to work hard and fix what's broken, instead they have chosen the easy way out by simply tossing it out like trash because we can go get an updated system. Changing the system doesn't change the corruption within it that caused the problem in the first place. Good will find its' place above the likes of evil, but in the meanwhile evil will do everything it can to survive. Easy solutions, this one included, are not long term. Autodidactic wrote:If you could choose for something like the war on drugs to end tomorrow, would you not end it because of all the people that would lose their jobs if it was ended? If I was in a position to end the war on drugs, I would revamp it, not demolish it. It has obviously turned out to be an utter failure, but the idea is good; keep unsafe, and harmful substances away from our innocent little society. A million people pull their money out of the banks, even if it were a million per bank with the intent of shutting every last one down, what of the massive chunk of a hundred million people who can no longer get their money from the banks because the banks have no money to give? No one is talking about crashing all the banks, and why would you want to keep alive a system that wouldn't have enough money on hand to pay off all of their customers? There is only a small fraction of actual printed money in existence, most is just numbers in a computer. It's like the goldsmiths of the 17 and 1800's that would make more gold notes then they had gold on deposit to earn the extra interest. That same system those goldsmiths used is now legal, and is the basis for our banking system. Banks just make up money out of thin air via the fractional reserve system now in place. I don't think anything less then a total collapse of the banking system to fix this BS we put up with now. *The above text represents a fictional alter ego, none of it is based on the experiences of a real person.*
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." Oscar Wilde
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When I was 21, I had just gotten married. That was in 1979. I could buy a loaf of bread for 25 US cents.... try that now! Fiat money is a load of deception and fraud. You have to have insider information to be able to get ahead in this system. You can't just save you money and expect it to be worth a damn 20 or 30 years later. So some say 'invest'. Go ahead and invest in the stock market. Unless you are on the inside you will loose there too. The little guy is just a vehicle for the rich guy to make money from while the rich guy rides on the back of the laborer.... I am thoroughly disgusted with the system. Everything mentioned herein has been deemed by our staff of expert psychiatrists to be the delusional rantings of a madman who has been treated with Thorazine who is hospitalized within the confines of our locked facility. This patient sometimes requires the application of 6 point leather restraints and electrodes at the temples to break his delusions. Therefore, take everything mentioned above with a grain of salt...
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Autodidactic wrote: No one is talking about crashing all the banks Autodidactic wrote: I don't think anything less then a total collapse of the banking system to fix this BS we put up with now. Autodidactic wrote:It's like the goldsmiths of the 17 and 1800's that would make more gold notes then they had gold on deposit to earn the extra interest. That same system those goldsmiths used is now legal, and is the basis for our banking system. Banks just make up money out of thin air via the fractional reserve system now in place. Steely wrote:Changing the system doesn't change the corruption within it that caused the problem in the first place. So we completely demolish the current system over night, now what? Corruption, hate, and greed don't magically disappear like that, and any new system rectified in place of the old is as easily corrupted as the last. And based on the history of human civilization so far, will be turned against it's people just as the current system or any in the past has. It's the people that need to change in order for the things we create to finally work the way they were meant to. Any type of government whether it be communism, capitalism, or a dictatorship could easily bring us into a world without wars and poverty if the greed running it all is dealt with. Do not listen to anything, "Steely" says. He is a made up character that his owner likes to role play with. His owner is very delusional and everything he says is completely untrue and ridiculous. Hate is the choice of a clouded mind. -"It takes humility to remember who we are"- "There has to be evil so that good can prove its purity above it." - Buddha
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Its so good to see that there are some people out there who have seen the iniquity that exists with the fractional reserve banking system and fiat money but it seems to me that all measures being employed today to rectify this financial crisis dont seem to regard the system as inherently dysfunctional and simply seek to get back to the 'good old days' of the early 2000s' boom-time. Unless these root causes are explored the occurrence of the next finanacial cock-up is just a matter of time.... I am paranoid of my brain. It thinks all the time, even when I'm asleep. My thoughts assail me. Murderous lechers they are. Thought is the assassin of thought. Like a man stabbing himself with one hand while the other hand tries to stop the blade. Like an explosion that destroys the detonator. I am paranoid of my brain. It makes me unsettled and ill at ease. Makes me chase my tail, freezes my eyes and shuts me down. Watches me. Eats my head. It destroys me.
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Posts: 162 Joined: 15-Aug-2010 Last visit: 08-Nov-2013 Location: Colorado
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Steely wrote: Quote:So we completely demolishing the current system over night, now what? Corruption, hate, and greed don't magically disappear like that, and any new system rectified in place of theatwh old is as easily corrupted as the last. so what we just do nothing and let it go on because we humans are so corruptible? The solution is informing people to what is really going on. Barely anyone knows how the system really works, we are led to believe it is all fair and just. And everyday more and more people are learning how the system really works, and I'm oddly optimistic about the future. In this age of the internet, information is at the tips of our fingers, and the truth is a very hard thing to hide. "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. " Henry Ford *The above text represents a fictional alter ego, none of it is based on the experiences of a real person.*
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." Oscar Wilde
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jungleheart wrote:Yea... doesn't seem like a great idea to me. Rather short sighted in my opinion. care to explain why? Long live the unwoke.
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It is my personal belief that humans are doomed to become a totally peaceful race. It is in our very nature to think logically, to love, to be compassionate and to learn from our mistakes. Going around spouting to others that they need to wake up, and forcing on them a world of peace doesn't seem like a very sound idea. When our era of existence turns into a history book like all others, how will we in the future view our acceptance of the loss of lives in order to save so many more? How will we learn from a complete deconstruction of our own creation without ever giving it a chance to work without the influence of corruption? Government, and the people, science and religion can and will eventually successfully co-exist. We just need to take baby steps to get there, and not shove anything down each others throats, or tear our worlds asunder. Do not listen to anything, "Steely" says. He is a made up character that his owner likes to role play with. His owner is very delusional and everything he says is completely untrue and ridiculous. Hate is the choice of a clouded mind. -"It takes humility to remember who we are"- "There has to be evil so that good can prove its purity above it." - Buddha
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fractal enchantment wrote:jungleheart wrote:Yea... doesn't seem like a great idea to me. Rather short sighted in my opinion. care to explain why? I'm no expert, but my main reason why it seems like a bad idea is because the vast majority of people would lose their savings. Banks are allowed to lend out about $9 for every $1 on hand. So 90% of money in banks is imaginary, essentially. That means that everyone would lose 90% of their savings, or only 10% of people would be able to keep their money. Luckily, in the US at least, the Federal Reserve insures your money up to $100k, so ideally people would get that back. But what if you were nearing retirement. You can't really retire on $100k. It would also probably create even more national debt than the US already has. Would regular people be any better off afterwards? I don't think so. When you try and destroy the system, you need something more than chaos and personal losses to regular people to replace it with. People need incentives, and if the whole money system falls apart, no one is going to have any reason to produce anymore. No one works 50-100 hour weeks out of the goodness of their heart. We all know what happens when you take away incentives (ex: state owned production), no one produces.
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the thing is that modt of that crap we dont need..it is destroying the planet and enslaving us. Most humans dont want to acknowledge it. Long live the unwoke.
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fractal enchantment wrote:the thing is that modt of that crap we dont need..it is destroying the planet and enslaving us. Most humans dont want to acknowledge it. Like retirement funds? Personal property? Can you be more specific what you think is necessary and what isn't?
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This is an idiotic idea. From Eric Cantona? Jesus  Is this even serious? All this would create is a run on the banks that were targeted. Most people would simply lose their money if the bank went bankrupt. Besides, the bank would almost certainly stop any withdrawls way before that could happen. The banking system is not evil, capitalism is not evil. I just don't understand people who want to smash a system that that created so manythings in the world they enjoy. Switch off your computer now if you don't agree, because guess what - capitalism made all this possible. If you want to change the system, at least have an alternative in mind. With no banks, how would people start businesses? How would anyone buy houses, or tractors? Lets smash it all, and go and live in the woods. Where are 6 billion people are going to get food, medicine and sanitation from when that happens? Global depression is not high on my wish list. I agree the system is flawed. It isnt fair. Who said life is fair? We should strive to change things, but this is about as counter productive as possible. Eric Cantona is a multi millionaire from football. You can bet your ass he will have taken care of his money before his master plan comes into effect. Oh great - the world has just been replaced by elf machinery. Sic transit gloria mundi
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don't kill banks, kill the bureaucracy associated with banks. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah "Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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reguardless of how insecure the idea of the current banking system being obselete makes people feel, the way it is going right now is a damn conspiracy to make fat rich assholes richer while everyone else gets screwed..centralized banking needs to go..of course there will always be some form of barter/trade..but that would be a very diff situation compared to the one we are in.. Claiming that we need things like personal property and some form of sustainability in old age in my opinion is a week excuse for the continuation of centralized banking..I have my own opinion on land ownership the way its practiced in our culture, but I wont get into that here..and sure we need to be sustained somehow when we are old..but noone of that implies that we need this unfair lie of centralized banking we have been brainwashed into believing. All it implies is that humans grow up, finally. Obviousily if the banks suddenly crashed over night we would all be screwed, at first...since currently we are dependant on that broken system. This needs to happen a bit more gradually than that. Long live the unwoke.
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