hello, SWIM got an extraction-problem-

SWIM used about 80 grams mhbr on 8dl water with about 12 teaspoons lye
everything coloured black , and with the naphtapulls the nafta (8 cl eacch pull) turned yellowish
but after freezing there comes extemly little spice?
SWIM evapourated some of the first pull in pirex ovendish, result was little yellow spice
it smells very nice , like expensive parfume, says SWIM
Did swim use too little lye, or too much nafta?

tonight was the night that i "Tried" to extract dmt from mimosa. I did everything right (i think). but i never could get the last 50ml of my first 100ml naptha pull to come out of the mhrb brew.

i began with 100g rb
100g lye
1500ml distilled water

it wasnt thick and i had it in a milk jug

after an hour i finally added 100ml of naptha

i only rolled it never shaking it or jerking it (no splashes)

after about 15 minutes i used a turkey baster (very very very hard) to get some of the naptha out

there isnt a 3rd emultion layer and i never did get the last 50 ml naptha out.

any suggestions. next time i try this i am going to do the same thing only in a bottle with a long neck so it will be easier to use the turkey baster. but i do not know why the naptha would come out. there was a crap ton of little bubbles through out the mhrb brew that i could see when looking into the jug.

i plan on trying another extract either later on tonight or tomarow night.

SWIM found out the ph of the brew is a bit low; 11.8. Unfortunately he ran out of lye, and is hoping that adding more lye (and aim for a ph of 13) will make those emulsions disappear..

thanx, SWIM getting somethong out, but realise i need propar equipment. Equipment is very hard to get upp north here, SWIM got out some,
but understands it's wise to get proper tools to work with
Swim likes his junglespice, smells perfume, he wonders if it's possible to wash the nafta before te spice? annyone knows?

S W IM means washing te nafta wih the spice, before kristalising

Somebody I know is going to be doing their 2nd extraction soon and had a few q's before he begins. His first extraction of 1lb MHRB only yeilded .8 unpure crystals, which was probably due to inexperience and also shitty bark. He did Marso's tek with shredded MHRB, this time he plans to do the same tek but with powdered MHRB.

1. Is everything pretty much the same when working with powdered or do some things need adjustment to get the right ph's? He does not have a PH meter and is hoping to do without...

2. Marso's tek calls to decant the solution, but he was thinking that won't be possible with powdered material, so what should he do? He was thinking to filter all 3 pulls through a tshirt, then filter once more after letting it all sit in the fridge. Is a tshirt fine enough to catch all the powdered material?

3. Last time he precip'd in small jars, this time he was thinkin about using a glass baking pan with plastic wrap on top. Does naptha eat plastic wrap?

Anything else he should consider when working with powdered material?

Yes, pretty much the same. One might need to use more water if the solution looks thick and sludgy.

The particulate matter will settle to the bottom and form a sticky paste that is really easy to decant. Straining through a T shirt works fine if one is worried about it.

Naptha doesn't eat plastic wrap, but getting a good condensation proof seal is difficult with a baking pan.

I have Q regarding ph levels...
Mars' Tek..says to use 1 quart 5% vinegar to 3 quarts water...aiming for 4 ph...5% vinegar being 2.4 ph, +/-
Q:
Wouldn't it be better to use full strength 5% vinegar, thereby achieving
the low ph needed for full separation from bark?? 2.4 vs. about 4

Granted, would have a terrific smell, and might have to add more base than called for to adjust to the high ph needed later.....
Thankx, Appreciate any thoughts...
Peace

nvx..
I agree...Powdered bark is very difficult to work with....T-shirt with 'fridge decanting overnight is the best way...just be sure to let it get back to room temp before adding base...and take your time pouring off..you want to get all the liquid out, leaving the sludge behind...
AFOAF will never order powder again..Never!!


Was really looking for the lower ph part to be answered...
Straight vinegar at 2.4, or diluted at about 4..

Thankx,
Peace

It really doesn't matter unless you go really low with something like HCl and end up with yellow goo.
Mars actually posted an ammendment to his tek stating that plain water worked just as well since the alks were in their salt form in MHRB anyway and the bark itself makes the solution slightly acidic.

Hi, SWIM is thinking of doing some extraction on MHRB using marfold tek. However he does not have crockpot and 1lb of MHRB. So he wonders is it possible to use normal stainless steel pot instad? Also, how scaling would work if swim plans to use 50 grams instead.

Also, in volvin A/B extraction tek he mentioned that muriatic acid should be used. Unfortunately it is not available in my are so I wonder will it be ok to use distilled white vinegar to lower the ph to 4?

I prefer A/B extractions over STB, however since you are only working with 50grams of bark I have to agree with Spiceman that STB is probably the way to go.

Also, do not use steel pots with HCL (and avoid aluminum at all costs with any extraction). It will leach metals into your bark brew.

If you really want to do A/B extractions I cannot recommend crockpots enough. They are simple to work with and can be left on for hours on end without worrying about your extraction drying up or being overheated.

In straight to base tek, how scaling would work with 50g/ as one to one ratio.
Swim is worrying that long soak of bark in the basic environment will destroy alkaloids. What is the maximum safe time? Also, at what point should use A/B method 200g 400g of MHRB? Why does straight to base method is better for small amounts of MHRB? Which method will produce the cleanest crystals. SWIM tried dirty yellowish dmt before and had no effect.

added later

SWIM was just reviewing straight to base tek. It mentions that swim should evaporate naphtla. How smelly is naphtla, and how long will it take to evaporate it? say 200ml. Would it be better to just freeze precipitate?
How clean crystals should be, by using straight to base vs a-b?

OK, question: if one perhaps neglected to do a recrystallization or ammonia wash, or if perhaps it wasn't done satisfactorily, what risks would he face? also, how could you tell if that was the case? Would you see the difference? Smell it? taste it? feel it in your lungs? any help is appreciated

SWIM was extracting MHRB using vovin's tek to the line. Unfortunately, after evaporating whole "naphta" SWIM got completely empty and clean jar full of just air. What I suspect is the used "naphta" couldn't dissolve the spice. As it seems each nation has its own "naphta" and "naphta" can mean something completely different in each country. Could anybody tell me what chemical should I use? The one that didn't work is called "extraction benzine" and it is made by water extraction of petroleum ether, which is according to wikipedia: "benzine, VM&P Naphta, Petroleum Naphta, Naptha ASTM, Petroleum Spirits, benzine, X4 or Ligroin, is a group of various volatile, highly flammable, liquid hydrocarbon mixtures used chiefly as nonpolar solvents."

Or is it possible that I killed whole spice during hot acid bath? Should I discard my base and try again? Or is there still hope?

what is SWIY using for a base? and dont throw it away just yet...its possible to save...and also...with MHRB you dont really need to do anything with acids..SWIM doesnt use acids for extracts...perhaps try doing a STB?

if SWIY didnt do a rextallize...and dont do an ammonia wash..SWIM has heard it doesnt do anything anyway..could be completely wrong though...all that will happen is that your xtalz will be yellower...and a bit harsher on the throat and lungs....still works like a charm..and sometimes a bit...stranger maybe...but it doesnt REALLLLY matter..but after awhile...you will realize how easy it is to recrystallize your spice and end up with some beautiful Snow White...which is usually a bit more cosmic in SWIM opinion

So SWIM is planning doing a side-by-side extraction, one A/B and one STB, to compare the results.. now SWIM has a few questions about the A/B which he doesnt have much experience with.. pH 4 in the acid step is enough, or should SWIM go for 3? SWIM is gonna use glacial acetic acid, how much of it would that be more or less? and also: how much water should SWIM use per each acid water boil, considering SWIM is gonna do it with 250g of MHRB? and to how much should SWIM reduce it, after filtering and combining the 3x?

thanks

hey a friend of mine Chip has been following a bunch of extractions online and only seems to get more confused being a noob at this (first time). hes looking to do an extraction as shown on the marsfold tek but only has 100g of mimosa bark. Could anyone please give him a step by step with all the corresponding ammounts of White Vinegar, mineral spirits aka turpentine(supposidly a cleaner naphtha), lye etc for a 100g extract

Everythig SWIM uses is lab grade HCl, and NaOH. After adding more NaOH to the base I could evaporate my "naphta" to get some yellowish oil that looked a bit like warm butter that would never solidify.