SWIM has been smoking the spice for a while, just with a freebase pipe and has had great experiences but then SWIM smokes and can handle it. Will try and have another go at making the machine but with a decent drill bit this time...

Been looking through other posts on smoking, so...

SWIM has friends who love their psyco-actives but they don't smoke at all so the freebase pipe is a non-start, so perhaps an enhanced 1-1 ratio leaf is the way to go or any other recommendation for the least harsh smoke on a clean set of unsuspecting lungs that can deliver a full hit would be appreciated? Also if enhanced leaf, what herb should SWIM try for that? Lex Tek mentions Justicia Pectoralis as a possibility?

cheers guys...

I have found that smoking enhanced leaf, or just spice on a leaf bed in a water bong is the smoothest way to smoke the spice. Many a non-smoker has had a breakthough on their first try with me using this method.

Hello Zorro, Love your movies!!!

If you are interested in trying "The Machine" but haven't had much luck drilling the glass etc... I highly suggest just using the basic theory behind "the Machine", but with your own smoking device!!

I went to my local head shop & bought a new, medium size, glass water pipe, or, "bubbler". Ya know like a glass herb pipe (not a meth, or "base" pipe), with a chamber for water under the bowl and a stem going down into the water.
I then burn the brass-like coating off of a chunk of Brillo with a torch lighter and stuff it tightly into the bowl of the bubbler. I coil the Brillo into the bowl & then use the flat end of a pen to push it in there good & tight. (You need large, broad mesh, steel scouring pads, bought as "Brillo" brand. "Chore Boy" brand does not work as well, it is much thinner than "Brillo" and seems to burn at lower temps, so I stick to "Brillo", there is also a "No-Name" brand of steel pads at my super market that I just found, that do not have the brass-like coating on them. So they are ready to use, right out of the package, no need to "burn off" that coating! ...And definitely DO NOT use Steel Wool, it will just burn up!!!)
Put just enough water into the chamber to make a few bubbles when inhaling though it, not as much as you would if using the pipe for herb.

Now I sprinkle my dose onto the Brillo, and melt it down into the Brillo by waving a torch lighter over then bowl, using the heat, not the flame, to melt the DMT into the brillo, but not vaporizing it yet.

Then I just smoke it like I would if it had herbs in the bowl, again using the heat (...a normal Bic here, a torch is too hot for the actual smoking part), You need to be careful not to pull the flame down into the brillo, you want to use the heat from the lighter to make the Brillo just hot enough tho vaporise the Spice, while it also holds it for you. I usually pull the lighter down into the Brillo a little bit on my last toke, to make sure that all of the spice on the bottom of the brillo was vaporized too.

You don't need to worry about the Spice running through the Brillo and out the bottom of the bowl when it turns to oil. DMT oil tends to "run" from the heat source, IMO, this is why its a pain in the ass to smoke out of a normal, glass "base pipe" (meth pipe), because once the oil is hot enough to vaporize, it starts "running" from the heat and you have to chase the oil with the lighter. Easy enough on the 1st toke, but if your trying to light your 3rd or 4th toke yourself, its close to impossible to do it efficiently!!
Using a Brillo, the oil "runs" along the wire mesh and as it dose this, it is also getting vaporized!! So this method of smoking actually uses the fact that DMT oil "runs" from heat to its advantage!!

BTW, if the oil is running through the Brillo & out the bowl, it might be because:
1) Not big enough piece of Brillo
2) Not stuffed tightly enough
3) Sucking too hard
You need to inhale hard enough to pull the heat of the flame down into the Brillo without the flame going into it, but not so hard that you "suck" the DMT oil downwards!!

Anyway, It also makes the vapor smooth as hell and the taste is muted a lot too.
Over the last year, I've tried every smoking device & method I could find, to see which one worked best for me. When I made "the Machine", I thought it worked great for vaporizing, but it was pretty harsh and the taste is still very strong.
So I just tried putting the piece of Brillo in a new, glass water pipe.
I've used it ever since!!
The water filtration helps with those issues a ton!! And it does not affect potency at all!!! I've tried the pipe with & without water to see if water filtering affected anything & the only difference was the taste & the harshness where both decreased x100!!
Smoothest, Best Tasting & EASIEST way to smoke DMT that I've ever come across!!!

Note:
Do Not just use the same pipe you use for herbs!!!
Get a dedicated Spice pipe, or at least completely clean out an old, unused pipe to like-new conditions!!
A friend of mine has two separate "pull stems" for his bong. One for herbs, and one with a Brillo in it for Spice, Quite Nice!!

Cheers!

WS

please post a pic of your alien communication device warren! Is it a big bong or a small one?

Great that you enjoyed the films... Tornado says hi too...

Anyways, that was a reply and a half... thanks very much for the effort, wasn't expecting that...

Been looking at bongs so will try your brillo method with a new one I've been looking at... Pop a pic on if ya like...

Cheers!!!

Neither, its a bubbler. (aka, water pipe)
Unfortunately, I don't have a digital camera, but I googled "bubbler pipes" and I found this one at an online head shop and it is basically the same exact thing, except I purposely found a totally clear one so I could see the vapor building up.

Bubbler pic

I would think you could use any bubbler or bong, preferably with a glass bowl, as long as its good & clean.
These bubbler's are just a perfect size & easy to deal with once going under.

Not to high tech, but works good where it counts!

BTW, you need to switch out the piece of Brillo after every 4 to 5 sessions.
Forgot to mention that fairly important thing

WS


Hi, Tornado!

Cool, I'll have a hunt around for summat simple...

This is what I've come up with so far, which looks great...

Double chamber pink!

It was the only clear one so forgive the colour!

Damiana herb is awesome as a smoking base, its really absorbent and sucks up solvent & spice like a sponge plus it tastes fine.

Zorro, The link to your pic didn't work for me.


WS

It works now...

Double chamber pink! again...

That is a pretty cool pipe!!
I dig the gold rig around the top of the bowl!!

That is the basic idea, that type of water pipe.
The only problem I see as far as using that particular one for spice vaporizing, is that it has a lot of places where the vapor can recrystallize on the inside of the glass. Those little bulbs & nooks & crannies will collect vapor and the longer the vapor is in the pipe, the more time it has to cool down and re-solidify on the walls of the pipe. The double bubbler chambers would more than likely add to this problem quite a lot too, especially if both were filled with water.

Try to find one that is even more simple & basic.

Mine, is really quite a stupid looking pipe!!
Not cool at all!
I would never have bought it to use for smoking herbs. Although I do like to use a bubbler for that too, the pipes I would buy for herb have to look "cool" & "classy" to me, if that makes any sense.
The one I chose to use for DMT, is stupid looking, but highly functional.
Its totally clear, except for a few "squiggles" of color here & there. The whole thing, like the one in my link earlier, is just one open, hammer-shaped chamber, mine is kind of smaller sized but fat, all the way up to the mouthpiece. That way, there is plenty of room for vapor to build up, but not a lot of places for it to get cooled down by contact with the glass, which causes recrystallize on the inside.

I'll try to remember to have my friend take a pic of it with his phone next time he is at my place, so I can post it up here.

WS

I used to warm my glass bong up before using it, thinking this would reduce the amount of dmt that would get stuck to the glass. Placing it near a light bulb was all it took - but I don't think it's really necessary. It sure made the room stink even before loading the bowl !

I recently tried to introduce a friend to the Spice (at his own request!) but he just couldn't inhale even a single milligram, it was too harsh for him. And he's a heavy smoker!! I've never been a smoker but had no trouble with the same glass pipe, didn't find it particularly harsh. It's weird to see such a heavy smoker choke on a little spice smoke! He is really motivated and takes it very seriously.

So, I made a kind of 'Machine' from a large water bong for super-smooth inhalations. Using copper instead of steel: it doesn't burn and conducts heat better, and I couldn't find Brillo... fine steel wool is amazingly flammable indeed

My friend tried this and was wondering if he's inhaled something after sucking on the bong for a while. Maybe he's a little exaggerating, but he told me that it's so much easier to smoke, at least with a small dose. He's yet to try one hit of really, really thick vapor.

Hmm, I'll definitely have to pick up a bubbler and try this out. I used to have problems with DMT using a freebase pipe, oiler type, and it took my 6th try to finally break-through. I'm a non-smoker. Now I'm finally used to it, but I may just try this out.

Warrensaged, you have a convert. SWIM doesn't think he could ever go back to any other smoking method after using a water-bong. SWIM can even use his dropper-vaporizers as bowls (which is great, since SWIM'd like to keep them around for hikes anyway), since paraphernalia is a little difficult to come by and expensive where he lives. SWIM has yet to load his bowl with brillo, however, and he is extremely anxious to.

Best pipe I've ever seen.
You could probably even use the first chamber like a base pipe ...

SWIM's had some incredible success with his water-bong. He managed to find a rubber gasket in a plumbing aisle that would fit around his dropper pipes to use them as bowls. He also used the brillo-in-bowl method for some of his pure spice and was quite impressed. One thing SWIM learned is to not take it all in one toke, but to carb it every time you fill the chamber rather than build it as thick as possible. The best way seems to be to keep inhaling and carbing 'til it's completely vaporized.

Well I just bought a new laptop and it has a webcam built into the lid, so I took a couple of pics of my DMT vaporizing pipe like I said I would, even though it was a while ago.
I took one of my last yield as well.

The first pic shows the profile of the pipe. As you can see, I purposely got one that is clear, so I can see the vapor building up inside. Also it has a very wide inner chamber that allows plenty of vapor to build up in there.

In the second one you can see the Brillo that is stuffed in the bowl.

Then the pic of my crystals.
It's really not a very good picture, I know, but it's as good as I could get it with the "built-in" webcam.
The bottle has about .500mg of beautiful, clear-to-white DMT shards in it.
Those came straight out of the first, and only, freeze precipitation. No re-crystallization needed!
My last yield was particularly clean and gave very smooth vapor!!

Cheers!!

WS

Sorry to dig up an old thread, but the pictures in your post aren't showing up anymore, I don't suppose you could re-upload them? I'm interested in seeing it
Also, how much MHRB did you start with for that yield?

Thanks

Edit: The Traveler fixed something so the images show now