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white chrystals can only be good, right? Options
 
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#1 Posted : 11/7/2010 1:36:00 PM
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i mean, theres no way that lye could somehow have made it into the naptha?

its just the harvest looks too good to be true for a first go ^_^

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#2 Posted : 11/7/2010 1:43:26 PM

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Lye is white so white crystals can contain lye. Color is no way a good indicator of purity.
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#3 Posted : 11/7/2010 1:55:41 PM
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thanks ;... for reference...what are the potential causes for lye to get though?
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#4 Posted : 11/7/2010 2:06:52 PM

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You need to give a little more info about your extraction. I'll assume you did either an A/B or STB with naptha.

yes, Lye is white , BUT:

Lye is not soluble in naptha, so you would have had to have been very sloppy to get lye (in the dark basified solution) into your spice - and given the colour, you would have noticed, and would not have white crystals.

SO, if my assumptions are correct about your methods, there should be no lye in your crystals.

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#5 Posted : 11/7/2010 2:11:17 PM
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hi jbark

thanks that is reassuring. so if someone took special care to avoid any of the dark and only pull the naptha they should be ok...

the a/b process they were following sounded very similar to this
http://psilocyber.awards...w&id=12&Itemid=2
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#6 Posted : 11/7/2010 2:36:48 PM

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Yes lye is nearly insoluble in naphta but a hot extraction + vigorous shaking can sometimes achieve to dissolve some,
I once burnt my lungs like hell after smoking white crystals in a gvg, it's not a very pleasant experience.
Anyway, it's important not to have doubts about purity when smoking spice as it can lend a bad aura to the experience,
now if you are confident about the purity of your crystals then give it a go.
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#7 Posted : 11/7/2010 3:13:13 PM

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#8 Posted : 11/7/2010 5:30:05 PM
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justine wrote:
Yes lye is nearly insoluble in naphta but a hot extraction + vigorous shaking can sometimes achieve to dissolve some,


there was not vigorous shaking but there was warm basified mixture, having been just reduced.

the tek suggested that a hot mixture would actually assist in the naptha extracting hence it was not perceived essencial to allow things to cool down too much
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warm naphtha will not dissolve lye. what can happen though is that small droplets of the basified liquid can come across unnoticed if one pulls too strongly with the pipette or if the pipette is touching the inner sides of the container where maybe some small bits of the basic liquid is.
 
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#10 Posted : 11/7/2010 5:40:22 PM

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^^^ what endlessness said, and then what I said: if the basified liquid crossed over:

A) you would notice
B) your crystals wouldn't be white - they would be stained dark burgundy from this lye/bark solution contamination.

You really have nothing to worry about in terms of lye. The hot naptha will pull other alks and possibly plant fats, but not lye, at any temperature.

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lye is too fucking polar to be dissolved by naphta, iswim thinks there's few tings less soluble than it in naphta
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#12 Posted : 11/7/2010 6:24:34 PM

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Ok, sorry for spreading misinformation then Smile
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#13 Posted : 11/7/2010 7:38:06 PM
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Thanks to all above, you are very reassuring Smile

It does mean that (what was apparently) 100g mimosa may well have yielded a good 1.2 to 1.5% Shocked

Albeit perhaps not pure.

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#14 Posted : 11/7/2010 8:27:44 PM

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Good yield, Congrats!! And if it is really that white, it's probably pretty pure (which ultimately, if you read endlessness's thread (link above) doesn't mean much anywaySmile )

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#15 Posted : 11/7/2010 8:33:19 PM

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I've seen 1% yields using hexane as the NP solvent. It seems that if one avoids excessive agitation and is careful about separating the basified solution that there would be little if any lye carried into the product if freeze precipitated. It seems like you have been careful with your separation from what you have said, so you should be OK with your product as it is.
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#16 Posted : 11/7/2010 9:30:09 PM
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its in 3 naptha
1- done, 400mg nice white fluffy dust
2- done, then damaged lol, 700mg off white slightly damp powder. this was which got left on radiator to dry out...big mistake, didnt realise it melted so easily, so now that bit is pale brown wax
3- this next pull still needs freezing, on the plus side it looks quite cloudy - so will report back once its done


after that is it worth trying a Xylene pull also?
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#17 Posted : 11/7/2010 9:40:56 PM

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Don't be afraid to do one or more heptane recrystallizations, regardless of the color. It can always be cleaner, and when it becomes very pure, it will be practically translucent.

Congratations on the size of your yield and your overall results so far. Sounds like very good work for sure.
 
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its always scary smoking your first extraction. even if it comes out perfect your going to think "man something must be wrong" its just nerves but its good your checking with others if there's doubt.
have fun im sure it will be fantastic! let us know how it goes.
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olympus mon wrote:
its always scary smoking your first extraction. even if it comes out perfect your going to think "man something must be wrong" its just nerves but its good your checking with others if there's doubt.
have fun im sure it will be fantastic! let us know how it goes.


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Steely wrote:
olympus mon wrote:
its always scary smoking your first extraction. even if it comes out perfect your going to think "man something must be wrong" its just nerves but its good your checking with others if there's doubt.
have fun im sure it will be fantastic! let us know how it goes.


After my first STB was completed, all I thought about the extraction when I saw the snow globe in my freezer was that I was some kind of mad scientist doing insane chemistry experiments. . . That's what everyone thought right?


yup!!!Smile

Three cheers to mad scientists, quacky new-agers and all of us in between!

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