Right, so I bought this package from some vendor and it contains:

1) 20 grams of powdered MHRB
2) 8 grams of Ruda Siria seeds (not powdered).

I've read several teks from Erowid and what not, and it seems that is quite easy to ingest this concoction.
I also have vinegar, the mortar and the pans etc. And I will ingest it with a friend (half and half).

I just have 3 questions for the Nexus, probably some of you can help me.

1) Is it true that I only need to powder the Ruda Siria seeds and mix them in 100 ml of water and ingest, so to activate the MAOI effect?

2) Is it true that I need to heat the mimosa in (water + vinegar) and when IT STARTS boiling, I should reduce the intensity of the flame to minimum?

3) What would be the ideal amount of water and vinegar for 20 grams of MHRB?


Any help or any tips is very much appreciated.

Hey clouds, i have yet to try and brew with mhrb but i have been reading in the aya section and i think (not posative it was a while back) i recal ms_manic_minxt saying to use mhrb you could just do a cold water extraction and filter out all the gunk that settles to the bottem of your jar because the sedimint could make you feel sick. but check that thread on all about aya out, her post there kicks ass. As for the rue i would grind the seeds boil 3 times at 30 mins and wash with salt its all in the wiki, the rue is easy to clean up and it helps i have drank raw rue tea and man did that suck. Good luck friend!

20g of MHRB is *way* too much for two people. The general safe beginning dosage is around 2g, not going above 3 until you get an idea of your sensitivity.

Even 4g of rue seems a little on the high side, but okay.

You can keep the mimosa on a rolling boil the entire time and it's fine, SWIM prefers this.

Edit: And of course best of luck, clouds!!

Hey Clouds, are you the guy who's never tried dmt or ayahuasca? Finally taking the plunge? If it were me, I'd just crush 3g of the rue, cap it, and take the caps. The taste in unbearable for me, and induces vomiting. But some people are concerned about eating plant material I guess. It seems to me that a boiling extraction will extract whatever undesireable substances are in the rue anyway. The rest is just fibre. Seems the same with mimosa, in my opinion.

Rue is very easy to extract. Probably not even crushing them or adding vinegar is necessary. The alkaloids come out very easy. Hot water extraction for an hour should be fine. It's easier to strain if the seeds are whole. As for the mimosa, not much vinegar, or none is required. Keep the water near boiling, but not boiling. I don't know why other sites suggest 15-20g of mimosa as a starting dose. That's potentially 150-200mg of dmt or more if your mimosa is strong. That is a mega dose, imo.

I think the person you are thinking of is me apoc unles clouds has yet to experience dmt aswell. but i have similar plans as clounds except viridis will be the first thing i order next pay check and the rue extract is allready done, i will let you know how it goes!

I guess I will try the traditional style (hot water) for my first concoction. Since I have no experience with MHRB or Rue (or DMT), I guess Ill try the more popular methods, once I get familiarized with these plants and their different preparations, Ill experiment with the cold water.



You felt like vomiting instantly after you drank it or did you have a bad time during all the experience?
(I care little, at least this particular time about my own physical comfort. I am searching for visual content.... I am not a masochist though, but I am expecting already to visit the bathroom quite often during the experience .... hopefully not the first hour? I'm OK with the purge and all that it involves... at least these first times)



I appreciate your help very much, jackstraw. Thanks and Good luck to you too.


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Ill take that into consideration. At some point I even thought about a probable underdose. Still, me and my friend will prepare the brew with all the MHRB (20 gr.), since we are afraid that we may ingest less percentage of alkaloids due to weak bark or excessive heat. In other words, we are aiming juuuust a little above just in case.



I read somewhere that when someone is heating the plant material above 60°C, a percentage of alkaloids is lost in the process. Also, I read somewhere that "the more heat you use, the more weak the brew becomes". Thats why I'm surprised you keep it boiling the entire time. How much time and how much water would you use for 20 gr of powdered MHRB with the rolling boil method?



Thank you very much, ragabr.


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Yes indeed! (I will try this concoction and I am aware its neither Ayahuasca or Freebase DMT, but at least its a start).




Yeah, in the future I will probably due the more sophisticated methods that involve a less nauseating experience. But this first time I want to go dirty, you know? hahahaha. Id like to see what is the purge all about. The instructions say I could just crush the seeds and eat them in a little water... but I'm not sure if that better than doing a little hot water and vinegar extraction soup. That was my main doubt, but apparently there is no problem (related to alkaloid efficiency) if I just drink the seeds, right?





I will do this. Sounds all right to me.





Are these statements based on your personal experience or is a well known fact?


Thank you very much for your help, Apoc. Best wishes.


I will post the results of the experience on November 4th 2010. Again, thanks to everyone.

The raw rue tea made me and another friend sick for about 2 hours until we purged and then it eased in. doesnt sound all that horible but compared to no noticible side effects from the extract with minimal effort (only washed it once, and let it dry) its kind of pointles to eat the seeds but to each his own! best of luck hope to hear how it goes

Well, it didn't work.

We heated the MHRB powder in a steel pot with 250 ml of acidic water (vinegar + lemon) for 25 minutes each time (3 times). And strained with a white t shirt.
At the end me and my friend drank a glass with 350 ml of Mimosa Tea, after 30 minutes of having ingested 4 grams of semi powdered Rue seeds in water.

We both felt the effects of the Rue. Including in the visual field. There was no doubt that the Rue had done its job.

Unfortunately the mimosa tea only made us throw up after 30 mins. (me) and 60 mins. (my friend).

Despite having prepared the concoction with 20 grams and drinking half and half, neither of us had the slightest effect from the MHRB water.


I think these were some probable causes for this failed attempt:

• we added the vinegar (2 tsp) and the lemon juice (half lemon) to the water after the mimosa, not before.

• probably our MHRB powder was kind of weak, or was mixed with mimosa root (not bark).

• probably we heated too much (almost boiling point) during too much time (25 min).

• maybe we should have drank all the mimosa and not just the water.

• maybe we didn't extract enough alkaloids from the powder because the water wasn't acidic enough?



Anyway... maybe next time. Ill try again (alone next time) at some point in the near future.

hey clouds, so you only boiled for 75 mins total? dont most people do around 9 hours in three hour batches? thats about the only reason i can think of. let me know how it goes next time!

Actually, I made a list of things that I believe I did wrong (including that which you mention jackstraw). So yeah, like they say, practice makes perfect, so I will keep on trying until it works. I know that next time I will shred to dust the MHRB myself and also I will adjust the pH with more precision. I will use distilled water and will boil for more time. (I guess I was afraid of heating too much and ended not heating enough).

Update

So yesterday, alone, I performed my second attempt with mimosa + rue.

• This time I used demineralized water instead of tap water / purified water.

• This time I used fresh lemon juice (40%) instead of the vinegar + lemon splash.

• This time I used a lower flame during 30 minutes x 3


I simmered 20 grams of prepowdered MHRB (mimosa teniuflora) and ate approximately 6 grams of recently powdered rue (with hammer) that was in a glass with the (40% lemon / 60% water) except I did not heat the powdered rue seeds. I just let them there while I was simmering the prepowdered bark. I ate everything in the rue mix, including the seeds.

Once I had my filtered MHRB tea, I decided it was time to reduce.

I did not boil the MHRB tea, I still used the very low flame I had been using all along this time.

After 20 minutes I decided I would not reduce the concoction any more. I would eat the not very well filtered concoction. Yes, it had some (not all) MHRB bark. The final product was 2 drinking glasses full of the most disgusting concoction (thanks lemon juice) I ever had to drink in my entire life.


What happened?

I drank the unfiltered rue tea that was in the acidic solution.

20 minutes later I drank the first glass of MHRB tea (in one single drink). I suffered.

20 minutes later I finished the second glass of MHRB tea (I could not do it in one shot... I would have vomited if so). No comments.


I held everything inside me for 45 minutes. Then I vomited violently in a bucket. Felt good.


The place?

My room. No lights on, except the computer with progressive psytrance. (Neelix if you care)


The experience?

Open eyed illusions. My bed had... certain faces and bodies. I even believed it for a couple of seconds. Once I moved the sheets or the pillows I realized they were illusions. I went to my bathroom and there was a body hanging in the wall. It was my towel. I returned to my room and started to dance alone. Then I decided that I wanted to take my shirt off (I almost never do that). Then I felt a little heavy and decided to rest in my bed.

There was a moment in which I was very heavy and could not move from my bed. I was enjoying it, though.

CEVs I remember: Original cartoons. A cosmic disco highway. A jaguar with fire in his chest. Angels with several arms crucified in space. Human womans in a mountain. There wasn't really a storyline or anything (like some of my mushroom trips)... it was just kind of random. The CEVs were not very potent (or at least they did not meet my expectations). I would say it was a low/moderate trip, nowhere near hyperspace (or at least what I think it is). The visual trip lasted 3 hours. The effects lasted 6 hours. I know it was not potent because I probably need to perfect my brewing technique and also, I seriously doubt the quality of the MHRB from this vendor is good.

The MHRB I used was brownish (not purplish / brown pink). And the water definitely did not had that "deep blood / burgandy" color so many people mention. It was just brown.

Thoughts I remember: "Higher consciousness means higher peace" (it was accompanied by an Asian man smelling some purple flowers...); "There are definitely higher realms with higher beings inhabiting them" (I believed that with a powerful certainty during the experience, now that I'm sober I dont feel so passionately about that, but during the experience... it felt natural. You know.)


What will I do next time?

Get high quality inner root bark.


Thanks for reading. Any comments / suggestions are highly appreciated.