Ok so I’ve done some more trials on converting Harmaline/Harmine to THH.
I found that as much as 40-60% of Harmaline/Harmine gets destroyed in the process or my original sample is only 40-60% pure and the process removes the impurities during the conversion. This seems most likely

I will be doing an extraction on caapi leaf solution based to 7 and see what precips and what effects come of it. I beleive there is more THH in the leaves, they give me a much lighter feeling than the vine.

= THH is completely legal everywhere in the world.

Inquiry & discernment are essential tools to the seeker especially when employed with compassion. The Nexxus would be a more fertile & thriving community if new ideas were sprouted in a less hostile environment.

How would you know it wasnt simply partial conversion? Or something else happening appart from thh, impurities that change colour, or... ? Seems one of ron's mistakes was exactly relying on these "spot tests".

Burnt just showed that this separation is not accurate as you are supposing:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=16743

This means there is probably a lot of harmine in your harmaline, which would explain the early precipitation.

Also you are still talking about FV's THH as if its THH, but its pretty proven that its not, did you check the new subforum about it? So your subjective feeligns of 'this batch being good' arent really any scientific/reliable measure.

You seem to totally disregard the possibility of placebo, and I wonder why, if its been shown again and again how much placebo and self-suggestion can influence effects of substances.

Would be interesting if you did the test ouro suggested.

Nope, its illegal in those places with strict analogue laws.

I woudldn't call it a hostile environment, its just a place were the scientific method is observed and ideas are encouraged to be backed up with evidence. This is for the common good as the pseudoscience and the legitimate ideas are separated out.

A while back I read a very good explanation of the different effects of Harmalas that has stuck with me. I believe it was 69ron that said: ‘Harmine is the Coffee of the harmalas & Harmaline is the Weed and when it comes to THH (tetrahydroharmine) you have The Light.'

Whilst very similar in molecular structure, THH has a completely different personality to Harmine & Harmaline. Calling it The Light of the harmalas is very appropriate. IMHO, it is the Holy Grail of The Harmalas. I have found Harmine very, very helpful in Meditation & Yoga. It energises your Light Body and allows you to see your Chakras & Auric fields; very helpful in a biofeedback sorta way
Personally, Harmaline is too heavy & stony for me but I do respect its power and personality, kinda like a big shaggy & lovable dog.

While we are all aware of the MAOI effects of the Harmalas I would like to suggest additional effects I have noted that our current version of scientific enquiry is ill prepared to explain. For the scientists out there please bear with me, I have found a dramatic increase in Energetic Vibration from the direct use of Harmalas in any form by any means of ingestion. This is as true for drinking Caapi tea as it is for bong hitting rue seeds.



This Vibration can be felt as light headedness or slight dizziness accompanied by feelings of well being and connectedness. It indicates a move up the etheric spiral towards your higher self. Sometimes accompanied by a slight nausea, that goes away as your complementary bodies move into alignment. It is the same energetic feeling you get from doing Kundalini exercises or the tingly afterglow of orgasm. By cultivating this Vibration and slowly allowing it to increase over time you will find you are more psychic, intuitive, compassionate & can bend time at will. Yes, you read it right, Bend Time At Will.

THH has the ability to raise your vibration in a most powerful, yet subtle way. It brings a crystalline prismy texture to spice and adds a super clear watery dimension to Aya, like looking down through 10meters of shimmering Caribbean Sea on clear blue day. It brings a dimension of pure light to the entheogenic experience and encourages entities & intelligences of only the Highest Order. If one is not accustomed to perceiving these experiences with a spiritual perspective most of the nuances & subtleties THH brings on are overlooked and remain unseen and one would better enjoy Harmaline as a house painter chooses a roller over a brush, its about preference & choice.

THH seems to be more concentrated in Caapi leaves rather than the vine, this explains the lighter feeling I get from Caapi Enhanced leaf vs. Aya Vine Tea. There is ample THH in the Vine but more Light in the Leaf I am unsure of the content in Rue, but I have read that Harmaline CAN be converted into THH in a reduction process. I’ve yet to try the Hcl/Zinc method but follows is a very simple oxidation & reduction process using Ascorbic Acid. The initial yields are low but the results are fantastic as I was left with THH & Harmine, harmalas I know and love

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Harmaline to THH (Trail 1)

First I dissolved 20 500mg Vitamin C (Clicks house brand) in hot water, I let the binding agents settle & decanted through a coffee filter into a pot. I then added 1.16g of Harmaline and brought the mixture to a gentle boil. The liquid turned orange/yellow and I covered the pot with a pyrex dish with ice to let the reaction reflux and the H202 to circulate through the solution. I left it to gently boil adding a bit of ascorbic acid water twice to make up for evaporation.

Gradually the solution lightened up a little but never went clear. Little precipitates began to form and I rightly assumed they were particles of the Vitamin C binding agent that had begun to clump together.

After 3 hours I removed the solution from the heat and filtered to remove the inert precips.

I carefully & slowly sprinkled in Bicarb until it stopped reacting. I was very careful to not add too much and bring the solution to a PH of about 7-7.2 as I read that the PKa of THH is 6.9

And like magic a very fine precipitation began. I let it react & settle for an hour & filtered. I then raised the PH to about 9 and watched another round of precipitation.
After Drying here is what I had.


THH as a gray fb __________________________________ Harmine fb

I have bioassayed both and am sure that I have both Harmine & THH as a result, the THH is as good, if not better than FV's THH HCl

I do not know the underlying chemistry behind such a transformation but am more than happy to chalk it up to Alchemy. I will further reduce the Harmine and a control sample of Harmine HCl and see what happens but in the long run I am quite pleased to convert my Harmaline in this manner even if the conversion is only 60%. I know I can get this figure up after more trials

Peace Professor8