Thanks,

It sound like good news. I dug into that kratom site and it seems it can be manageable to not abuse the plant. I could give it a try with cactus or 4-aco-dmt maybe. They don't advise to combine it with MAOI:

quote from site:
'It is also recommended that you do not use kratom in combination with MAO inhibitors, such as Syrian Rue (Peganum harmala), Banisteriopsis caapi, Passionflower (Passiflora incarnata) and certain anti-depressants. Serious, even fatal, reactions can occur if MAO inhibitor drugs are combined with monoamine drugs. The combination of MAO inhibitor drugs with kratom, which contains monoamine alkaloids, has not been studied.'

Anyway, last think I need is a fair price and service...any ideas on tested vendors? This seems to be the cheapest:
http://www.bikhuk.com/p/buy-kratom.html

I hope I didn't break any rules by publishing this link, I'm not sure if it's scam or what...

Regards

Some people can manage to not abuse it,i for example ,i use it maximum twice a week.But thats mostly because im not working atm.
When ill be working ill have to reduce it to 1 time per week but thats good.

As for Kratom vendors,theres just so many ,but i can tell you that the super indo from Loveleafgarden is very nice. They also have a very good deal you should check out...Its dirt cheap and you could make a potent extract out of it.

i also ordered from this website which has some nice deals too.

It would be a good idea to buy a few variety's to see which one you prefer...

So...

I decided to try this plant. I just placed the order for Indonesian, Malaysian and Bali blends, 50g each plus small amounts of Datura seeds, Dream Herb and Mandragora as enhancers.
I guess I go to eat kratom in capsules. What would be a threshold dose for someone with no opioid tolerance? 5 grams?

Forgive me for being lazy to search net for answers, but I learned to trust nexus.

Regards

It's best if you can put it capsules, it's extremely bitter. As others have stated care should be taken with this plant as it can be physically addictive.

general guidelines from Erowid -

Oral Kratom Dosages (dried leaf)
Enhanced (Extract Added)
Threshold 1 gram
Light 1-2 grams
Common 2-3 grams
Strong 3-6 grams

Oral Kratom Dosages (dried leaf)
Super Grade
Threshold 1-2 grams
Light 2-4 grams
Common 3-5 grams
Strong 4-8 grams

Oral Kratom Dosages (dried leaf)
Premium Grade
Threshold 2-4 grams
Light 3-5 grams
Common 4-10 grams
Strong 8-15 grams

Unless its an extract SWIY will have a TON of capsules to consume. For example, SWIY loosely packed in ~500mg of 15x into a 000 sized capsule. It took SWIY 4ish capsule to get a decent buzz.... dont go by this for dosage, just as an example for the amount of pills used... and this was an extract, not plain leaf. The Kratom Tea method works well as does just munching on the leaves... SWIM likes the taste but it took getting used to its flavour

hmmm...I didn't think that through...maybe simple extraction : tea...

oh, it DOES have this side.

And then: I initially felt a little addicted to it, but it quickly wore off and nowadays i don't eat it at all. I can easily see the problem potential though...

I don't see the point of taking it more than one day every month. My tolerance built so fast with all these "pleasure only plants and alcs" than I harly feel anything the next day or only have the bad mood and frustration of being in the very good mood I'm used to be in.
So I buy it twice a year but I now have a good source and resin product from one of our dear sponsor here. It is the real deal and 3 grams of this extract is enough for me (too much prolly for very sensitive poeple), it says it a 3X resin extract made from fresh leaves.
Same goes with weed, for me after a few days I'm left with negative side effect and no euphoria...

Haaaa neuro-chemistry, tell me your secrets !

Its true ,the tolerance builds up pretty fast with Kratom.In the beginning ,about 1,5 month's ago;i used to take 4 grams to feel good, now im up to 6 to 6.5 g to get a nice buzz.
A good way to keep a low tolerance would be to use it once a week or once every 2 weeks.

It only last 4-5 hours for me.

I like to make it into banana bread.
~-Yum-~

If you're using plain leaf kratom, you really need not worry about withdrawal and dependency. I've used every variety possible, maeng da sula jambi bali malaysian thai you name it. I'll use it 3-4 times day or enough to keep myself lifted all day for 5-6 months at a time and then stop and just feel groggy for a day or too, nothing much worse than kicking caffeine. Before anyone says otherwise either... I've done this many many times and have eaten pounds and pounds of kratom.

Most varieties last 4-5 hours, malay and bali are similar but if you buy malay you're supporting criminal exportation of the ketum, maeng lasts like 2 hours, thai is lame, jambi is awesome, sula tastes good but all in all leaf from borneo is the BEST. Extracts are just as soul sucking as morphine. Thats all

Hello,

While waiting for delivery, zubidlo is reading your posts and more. Mu, delta opioid receptors crossover studies and other interesting stuff about Mitragyna. It seem that everyone is speaking highly about Borneo leaves on the net. This vendor offers it, but zubidlo couldn't find any reviews of their service other than adds. Did anyone know anything about this : http://www.bikhuk.com/p/buy-kratom.html ??? They seem to sell leaves in wholesale for real cheap...less than 2$ a 15g dose. zubidlo had never got fucked by scam artists other than those on ebay and doesn't want to start now

Regards.

It looks leggit. And they have paypal verified,so youre insured in case of fraud.

I'd caution against blanket statements like this. The nature of addiction is extremely physiological and varies widely from person to person. Just because "Person A" does not easily get addicted to Kratom, does not mean that "Person B" wont. I too have eaten kilo's and kilo's of Kratom. I am happy to say that I use ZERO Kratom any longer, but I was highly addicted for many months, and it took me a rigorous, structured process to get 100% clean. Even using just plain leaf. With that said it was much easier than kicking a heroin habit, but it was still extremely difficult.

Personally, I don't recommend starting a Kratom regiment unless you need to for medical reason. Proceed with caution.

Peace!
-idt

Quoted for truth.

Also, I've known people to have a hell of a time quitting coffee.

Hi, i had a question concerning dosage of Maeng Da kratom, it takes 6.5 g of super indo kratom to make me feel very comfortably numb.And i weight 165lbs
How much do you guys think i should take so i get nice effects ? But i dont want to be too high since its more of a stimulating high...

IME the tea is gross, especially if you are using powdered leaf . I have used 00 caps and can cram ~500mg in each cap, which I think is just so convenient because i can adjust dose in .5gram increments. Taking 4-6 00 caps isn't so bad once you become aquainted with the effects.

One time I did try it mixed with peanut-butter, and made a PB&J sandwich with it. it made the peanut butter look black and gross but I did not taste the kratom at all.

Doesn't really matter much to me, but out of curiosity..

Why is kratom being discussed here? I know it isn't technically an opiate, but its action is definitely similar. Discussion of anything poppy related is usually stopped.

I have nothing against its usage personally.. it's effects just aren't psychedelic.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. People beware, my friend was hooked on this stuff.