Hi, i had a few questions for experienced Kratom users.

Well here are my questions :

Will eating before or after taking Kratom, destroy the buzz ?

What kind of herbs are good to take with Kratom ?

What types of solvents can be used to extract a full spectrum extract from my kratom ?
And how should it be done ?

I am also looking for a good method to make kratom extract, if anyone has one please post it!

I haven't noticed a discernible difference in kratom's effects on an empty or full stomach, but i usually just make a cup of tea of it.

I bought myself a capsule machine so i don't have to deal with the horrible taste anymore.

pretty much any drug that gets digested by the stomach seems to weaken in its effects on a full stomach. if its a smoked route, then it makes almost no difference with most drugs, but the oral route is affectd.

Here are some threads that may be helpful:
Phlux posted these pics of his kratom extract but the method is only generally stated: Kratom Extraction Pix
AB Extraction of Kratom?
anyone know of a good kratom extraction tek?

I like and use:

Glaucium flavum (Yellow Horned Poppy) 80% Glaucine
Nymphaea Caerulea (Blue Lotus , Blue Lilly) 20X extract
Corydalis (Yanhusuo) 95% THP Crystaline Extract

But they will increase the opiate like effects, especially the Glaucine and THP, so be careful with dosage.
An overdose can lead to Respiratory depression.


Eating with a meal in your stomach will make it take longer to kick in and weaken the overall effects.

You definitely need to try to have your stomach as empty as possible. The effects really get cut down to nearly nothing with food in your gut. Try eating it a half hour after you wake up in the morning without eating anything and see how strong it is.

As far as herbs to combine it with, kanna, yerba, and cannabis are by far the best.

Thanks ,this is really useful information.

Has anyone here tried Maeng Da Thai Kratom ?

IF yes,then how potent do you find it compared to regular or super kinds of Kratom ?

And what kind of dose is good enough to get you where you want to be ?

^Yes, similar strength to enhanced leaf, 3-4 grams is good.

The effects are different. I didn't really like it at times, it can get really stimulating and its short lived. When you do hit a sweet spot the aroma is really nice so good luck.

I Took 2 oz of Maeng da thai soaked it in 99% ipa for 3 weeks strained out the kartom and evaporated it on the stove into a black hash looking resin It was extremely potent be careful on dosage though if you take to much this stuff it becomes extremely scary

Scary in what way?

Methtical

It started off fine and I feeling really good then it just got way to intense I was sweating profusely my mind was going 1000 mph and I was having panic attacks

That's probably because SWIY concentrated the mitragynine (which has a speedy nature to it). Mitragynine has a similar structure to Yohimbine which has stimulant properties. Maeng Da kratom is the speediest out of all the varieties, but also has the most punch to it. The classic Indo though is more sedating in effect.

Kratom in SWIM's experience is better as just regular leaf and not an extract. It's sorta like cannabis, how the effect differ from strain to strain since there is more than one chemical effecting SWIY and at different concentrations. Kratom has a TON of different compounds, but mitragynine and 7-hydroxy-mitragynine are the main ones. Even after trying just pure mitragynine and 7-hydroxy-mitragynine, SWIM can say that they dont come close to kratom's full effects.... its all in the natural combination

Denargle, thanks for that info.Its quite helpful,by the way,how much did you take of that hash like resin ?
Do you think that adding an acid(citric acid) to the the solvent will help in having a higher yield ?

Do you think Methanol(HEET) would be good to extract a full spectrum or it would bring out lots of impurities ? Im asking about methanol since its the cheapest solvent around.




Are you saying that if i take some Maeng Da kratom,ill have lots of energie like if i took some speed or stimulant substance ?

I took 2.2 grams of the kratom hash which ended up being way to much. now that I think about it I added some lemon juice to my iso cause i was reading somewhere on the net that citric acid helps to extract the actives in kratom so yea I would add some lemon juice in to the mix.

Im not really sure if methanol would extract the actives from kratom but its worth looking into ... isopropyl alcohol worked great for me.

Hi lads,

Where is an opioid receptors agonist there is a dependency soon or later. How do you deal with that? Don't take me wrong, I'm interested to try kratom as 'down-come' from psychedelic trip, but I'm bit worried about withdrawals. Did anyone experienced those? I hope kratom can be manageable in terms of use it wisely not to become it's slave. I didn't meet such opiate yet

I'm looking for opiate bliss not the stimulatory high. Which kratom blend is most opium like? Indo?

Regards

Its true you get addicted to it sooner or later.I havent had any withdrawal symptoms yet but that mostly because i have enough kratom to last me a long time.
You will propably enjoy it so much that youll wanna do it again and again just like opiates.And thats where it starts to maybe be a problem...

and the most opium like is definitely the indo or super indo.it really numbs you out ,especially when youre in bed.

Thanks.

I just found this info on net and I'll dig into it before I decide to take kratom.
Check it out if you like:

http://www.mitragyna.net/en/article_5.htm

Also, I'm sure if I do kratom I will be facing some withdrawals soon or later. I would like to know how bad it is. How long it takes? It's the part of the deal with opiates and need to be taken into consideration.

Regards.

Back when I had surgery, I experimented with kratom as an alternative to perscription opiates, and had much success. The withdrawls are not nearly as bad as with oxycodone or hydrocodone, and the buzz is akin to hydrocodone in strength, but "fuller". I generally disagree with opiate use, but I enjoy say 5g of Malaysian, a beer, and a bowl of Dank on occasion and as long as you don't make it into a habit I don't see what is wrong with it

I tried 3 different types, Maeng-Da, Malaysian, Super Indonesian. the Maeng-Da was extemely energetic, almost speedy, and followed by a heavy stone. the Malaysian was pure body stone (like a strong indica). the Super Indo was somewhere in the middle. Personally my favorite was the Malaysian, although the Maeng-Da was stronger.

Kratom was the best thing on planet earth to have when I broke my foot. I had some interesting lucid dreamlike experiences, which prompted me to explore the entheogenic potential of this plant.

In my experience, Bali is sleepy, with perhaps a greater body load, Indo was more psychedelic, and Maenga Da felt the smoothest/strongest/balanced.

A low dose on an empty stomach worked best for me (never more than 4g). If I took this with at least a week off between sessions, I had a nice afterglow into the next day and felt no kind of hangover or cravings. I found if I took it two days back to back, the second day was never as good as the first (tolerance), and my bowels were horribly disrupted in the days to follow (like my rough ride with codeine after getting wisdom teeth pulled).

The moral of the story: Kratom can be useful in times of need or a lovely treat, if used rarely and sparingly. Any more than that, it becomes physiologically disruptive and a tolerance builds, so it is also completely not worth taking it more than very rarely.

Also, beware: while I have NEVER felt cravings from Kratom personally, I gave some to two friends once, and I was a bit disturbed to hear them fiending for more. They really wanted some the next day and wouldn't stop talking about it. I didn't give them any more... So perhaps some people are more predisposed to an addiction than others.

And for what it's worth, the only time I ever puked was when I drank 8g with some grapefruit juice on a full stomach (the 4g hadn't worked because my stomach was so full, decided to redose, and, uuuugh!).

Kratom is definitely interesting. It reminds me of all the great things about smoking cannabis (dreamy mindstates, enhanced sense of music, body euphoria), but without any of the negative side effects (paranoia, terror, anxiety, laziness). It does last about 24-26 hours.

Ultimately, though, Kratom is no great teacher. It does not combine with Ayahuasca, and I have forsaken Kratom to persue the path that develops my soul.