Is it necessary to first wash the crude extract of hydrochloride, if you’re just going to recrystallize it anyway? Because reportedly washing it wastes some of the mescaline.

washing serves a couple purposes: it can remove unwanted alks, and it can remove unwanted impurities brought over from the NP or present in your acid to begin with. If you don't mind the extra alks, and you have no reason to believe you have any unhealthy comtams from the NP or acid you salted with, washing is not necessary. If you are going to rex, I'm guessing washing is really unnecessary. rexing should leave most/all impurities in soln.

However if you want to know precisely what dose you are taking you have to wash, some nexians have removed HALF the weight
of their extracts with an acetone wash...
The whole idea of extracting mescaline is to be able to dose precisely, otherwise you can just boil 3x, reduce and drink...

ouro said:
"If you don't mind the extra alks..."

But some people do.

justine said:
"The whole idea of extracting mescaline is to be able to dose precisely..."

It's also to remove the other alks.


So, can anyone say: does washing before recrystallization result in greater purity than recrystallizing without washing first, yes or no?

SWIM agrees that washing may not be necessary. In fact, some of alkaloids actually round off the experience a little more in SWIM's opinion. SWIM took some fairly clean mescaline over the weekend and it was a great experience but it seems that it was missing some of the euphoric peaks that some of the other alkaloids may provide. This is a high subjective opinion, ofcourse.

It's nice to learn the process but may not be necessary. Also, SWIM has realized that mescaline loves Jack Daniels but then SWIM loves Jack Daniels as well!

From what I understand washing with IPA(Isopropyl Alcohol) removes the MDMA like energizing alkaloids...

I would say that if doing a recrystalization...Do not wash at all...

If you want to dose without re-x ing but want the energizing alkaloids and a cleaner product just do a few(3 or 4)Ice Cold Anhydrous acetone washes and not an IPA wash...

or better yet just do a couple of ice cold Anhydrous MEK washes...

futura said:
"If you want to dose without re-x ing but want the energizing alkaloids and a cleaner product just do a few(3 or 4)Ice Cold Anhydrous acetone washes and not an IPA wash...

or better yet just do a couple of ice cold Anhydrous MEK washes..."


My buddy got some green powder from HP that was supposed to be, and very well may really have been, Peruvian Torch. He used 69ron's calcium hydroxide / d-limonene / HCl tek on it. He's already washed the extract with acetone and IPA (both ice-cold and anhydrous) three times each, yielding a pale pink, slightly amber powder. Would now washing this semi-refined (not recrystallized) product twice with ice-cold, anhydrous MEK get it substantially closer to pure mescaline (assuming there's any mescaline in this product)?

And can MEK be dehydrated with anhydrous Magnesium sulfate (baked Epsom salt) like acetone can?

quasimoto, honestly it seems like you are more concerned with poking holes in other peoples arguments than learning anything from their attempts to help. I think you would have more success if you considered the possible flaws in your own reasoning instead of pointing out how everyone trying to help you is wrong about something.

"Tell it like it is" - Aaron Neville

Yes you can dry MEK with Baked epsom salts...just filter it very well afterwards and store in airtight jar in freezer...

Yes doing MEK washed would further purify it but not as much as recrystalization...and you would also lose some product with each wash...

However I think the multiple IPA washes are what took away what you are missing...the energizing alkaloids...

And also cause you did not titrate to a PH of 6.0 and did ron69s tek exactly as written you went way too low with the salting PH in the first place and salted out a lot of Non Mesc Alkaloids...

futura said:

"Yes you can dry MEK with Baked epsom salts...just filter it very well afterwards and store in airtight jar in freezer...

Yes doing MEK washed would further purify it but not as much as recrystalization...and you would also lose some product with each wash...

However I think the multiple IPA washes are what took away what you are missing...the energizing alkaloids...

And also cause you did not titrate to a PH of 6.0 and did ron69s tek exactly as written you went way too low with the salting PH in the first place and salted out a lot of Non Mesc Alkaloids..."


Thank you for a constructive, informative, helpful, pertinent, friendly, nonjudgmental, nonargumentative response, futura. It's nice when someone who knows the answers allows and even encourages others to ask the harder questions, answers the precise questions that were actually asked, and accepts that others may express an honest difference of opinion without casting aspersions on their motivations.

BTW futura, will regular coffee filter paper suffice to filter the MEK?

Yes they should...I would use a few though,and be quick or MEK will pull moisture from the air thats why it would be better to,if available use a Buchner(Vacum)funnel and a few #101 Filter discs.

Cheap ones are on everybodys favorite auction site...