please post only experiences with jungle spice seperated from the N,N-DMT.

this way we might find out more about that mysterious alkaloid contained in mimosa hostilis.

Man, swim just spent a week trying everything possible to get it out of Chaliponga because swim was told by a very trustable source (and many google searches) that Chali is full of 5/meo and other extra alkaloids and would extract reddish.

I've got lots of experience with Chaliponga, and it does vary a lot in alkaloid content, but the ratio of DMT (and DMT N-Oxide) to 5-MeO-DMT (and 5-MeO-DMT N-Oxide) is usually 2:1 of DMT to 5-MeO-DMT. It occasionally varies dramatically in ratio, but 2:1 is pretty consistent. Sometimes it's very high in N-oxides or contains only N-oxides. Leafy material is often like that. What does this mean to you? Well, in order to get all the alkaloids you must either convert the N-Oxides to their parent alkaloids or you'll need to extract with DCM, chloroform, or ether. DCM is best for extracting these N-oxides. You can't extract them with naphtha, and probably something like xylene will also not work so well. I always use DCM and I get fantastic yields, sometimes more than what’s reported in the literature, especially for 5-MeO-DMT. If you're not doing an N-Oxide reduction step, or you're not using DCM, then you're going to get very poor yields in a typical A/B extraction on this plant. The N-Oxides are sometimes the major alkaloids with leafy materials. I’ve seen this with both Chaliponga and Chacruna. Bark is less likely to be high in N-Oxides so with bark people can get away with using a vastly inferior solvent like naphtha. But even then, far better yields are always had by using DCM.

In my last extraction from 100 grams of Chaliponga, I got 587 mg of DMT and 294 mg of 5-MeO-DMT. That’s a total of 881 mg, or a yield of 0.88% with almost exactly 33% of that being 5-MeO-DMT (and it’s N-Oxide). The test used by my friend cannot tell the different between 5-MeO-DMT and it’s N-Oxide, so they are both read as 5-MeO-DMT.

In that extraction, I used citric acid and 91% IPA solution in a Soxhlet for 10 hours, that was then concentrated down and diluted with water and defatted with DCM, and then freebased with sodium carbonate at pH 9.5, and then extracted with DCM. And then for purity it was re-extracted into pH 3.5 water, and then freebased again with sodium carbonate at pH 9.5, and then extracted again with DCM.

By the way, the impure extract was never reddish at all. It's slightly greenish from all the chlorophyll. This plant has TONS OF CHLOROPHYLL!

its would be rather difficult to separate all the n,n-DMT out of this extract its the major alkaloid component. unless there is some real evidence that all the dmt is out one will be smoking mixtures

But if taken sublingually or snuffed, you only feel the 5-MeO-DMT because its many times stronger than DMT by those routes. SWIM knows, he's uses it sublingually all the time without bothering to separate the 5-MeO-DMT from the DMT. With that route the effects are almost entirely from 5-MeO-DMT. However, sometimes it’s a little weird, almost salvia like, and this is probably from the tetrahydroharman present in the plant.

SWIM knows DMT and 5-MeO-DMT very well and will not make any mistake detecting the effect of each or a mix of them. The sometimes unusual effects are from something else in the plant. SWIM doesn't know the effects of tetrahydroharman, because he's never tried it stand alone.

i read somewhere that one should leave the jungle spice to dry out for a while. in the beginning the effects are supposed to greatly vary from the product which has been drying for more than 3 weeks.

.. but SWIMs Jspice always results in some kind of oily crystal formation