Hello,

i ask this question in the Chat and i want discuss it here too.

I watch his Presentation at YouTube (David Icke - Beyond the cutting edge) .

First of all, i dont belive some things what he said about reptiloids and shape shifting ^^ but some things are very interesting especially after my hyperspace experiences. I mean what he said about the "real" World and the Matrix and so on.

These things are realy interesting... Just Watch that Videos and you know what i mean

What you thing about his theories? (i dont mean the "reptilians are ruling the world" shit )

abo

Yeah there have been alot of skeptical views when it comes to david icke's theorys...........

End of day he is preaching to everyone that reptiles live under the earth's crust and used to control the ''aztecs'' (correct me if i am wrong) he also from my re-collection went on to say many of the ''royal family'' (which may i say is totally not neeeded) are involved within the illuminati ?

I do kind of beleive there is a illuminati (but it has been emphasized over the years) what with the rockafellas being involved. it seems kind of logical some secret organization controls the worlds goverments.

(end of day there always trying to cover up things! AND why in the hell would they still keep ''cannabis'' as a controlled substance if it has sooooo many medical benefits towards curing cancer and other illneses???)

but i think people have went abit to far telling the story (like chinese whispers)

A great video to watch is ''zeitgeist'' it does kind of relate to this (but it is quite biest and ''proves'' (i use exclamation marks ther 4 reason) that religion was the greatest story man ever told to control nations of people

well...

i think that Zeitgeist is not a good film. There are better ones like loose change and so on. Zeitgeist part one (Jesus and Religion) based on lies.

You must watch Bill Hicks ^^

David Icke's a master of BS. If he was a fiction writer I'd have a lot more respect for him.

Haha yeah. He is the somewhat Psychedelic version of Alex Jones. They are both totally far gone imo. I'd be curious to know who much either of these two nut jobs really believes the stuff that they spew.

They seem like the people that read Illuminatus Trilogy and didn't get any of it or think it was funny.

Probably something like the Bilderberg Group?

I am abit opposite! if i gunna be frank, yerr it shows very very biest views on religion and the 9/11 bombings but i think there is abit of truth in what they are saying! end of day why does religion need so much fucking $$$ ???

loose change i have never heard of that, but it will interest me if they same topics are raised as in zeitgeist

i am against religion... every religion!

But i belive in God and Jesus was a great human!

But i dont say that i am a christian or muslim or hindu or smth. like that.

@ Malaclypse: There is a elite society out there. It dont matter if you called that Bilderberger, bohemian grove, mason(higher grade) or illuminati. Alex Jones said realy interesting things but i cant agree him in all theories.

There is a big conspiracy in the world, but i dont said that the reptilians rule the world (look at my first post)

I want only discuss about the "what we see is not real" thing what david icke said. Not about illuminati or 9/11 was an inside job things^^

i hope you understand me what i mean^^

only the "spiritual" things not the "politics"

abo

David Icke is fucking crazy. The queen is a lizard!

It seems obvious to me that David Icke is counter intelligence, sent to dilute the message of true visionaries like Terence Mckenna.

Obviously, he's just another poor guy trying to make a living and feed his family.

That said, I was thinking about supplementing my own income in these tough times...I'll break the news here and take pre-publication orders for my next book:

screw the reptiles, there are huge 800' single celled mutant amoeba under the earth, actually they live at the center of the earth (it's not that hot there, they tell me), and these amoeba were put there by the Martians who fathered them accidently by "fornicating" shall we say with Atlanteans during a visit in 3 zillion BC.

The amoeba bastard DNA seeps through to the earths surface during volcanic eruptions, that's how the human race began. Recently a few evil amoeba figured out how get to the surface themselves, and thru a mysterious chain of events THAT IS FULLY EXPLAINED IN MY BOOK, they caused 9/11 and the government is out to kill them.

Better yet, for $500 you can attend the "Level 4 Master" seminars on the amoebas. Coming to a city near you soon.

i repeat it again: I dont belive this reptiloid sh**.



i dont think so. When you red his biography, you can see that he was a BBC-Reporter. He earn good money on the BBC. But when he started his career as a Pseudoscientist, he was fired by the BBC.

Maybe he is Schizophrenia and hear things that dont exist.

His theory of the world being an illsion and were conciousness creating reality to experience itsself isnt a new one.

He also says that the moon is hollow and thats where the reptillians beam their version of reality onto earth and hold us in this dense reality. He says we are all droplets of this infinite conciousness but weve forgottom the fact, also in part thanks to the reptillians manipulation.

I smoked spice once and died and was joined to this mass conciousness thing with lots of other bits of conciousness, but we were joined together so it was one thing even though I had my own perspective within it, was very similiar to what he says we are.

he totally beleives what he says and tbh I am convinced of negative entities controlling and influicing the people who control the world, it is the same bloodlines who control the world who have been doing so for years, and you must admit the world isnt exactly a nice place when it could be, facism and control is everywhere but people just accept it

[quoteBut i belive in God and Jesus was a great human!][/quote]

Icke also says Jesus never existed, im sure the only place Jesus was mentioned was in the bible and there is no recorded roman maps of nazereth, or any roman records of a guy called Jesus. also lots of people around the world have the story of a son born to a virgin mother before christianity, like horus of egypt im sure, there are others too.

Anyhoo I like a lot of what he has to say but people just thnk reptillians and dismiss everything else, im sure people who dismiss him havent bothered reading any of his books, as einstein says " condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance"

Yes...but he does and as he's the topic of this thread, you can't be surprised when people bring this up. Unfortunately, you can't just cherrypick his beliefs to present a view him different than what he presents himself as. He has these nutso beliefs...whether or not they are mentioned/related in his other "theories" is irrelevant as they serve to paint the full picture of the man and his beliefs. As much as you may want to ignore it, he should be viewed for who he is and what he represents as a whole, not piecemeal; it's all interrelated on some level.

Agreed, terence mckenna was awesome,
and the main point of my post; Bill hicks ROCKS!
love that guy , which he was still around, and his links with Tool make it even beter

I like Infinite Is reply-some of his earlier works do weave a pretty good, albeit somewhat conspiratorial, narrative regarding many world events.

He apparently had/has rheumatoid arthritis and one of the rare manifestations of systemic rheumatoid disease can be a cerebral vasculitis which can lead to altered mentation.

Pau- your book sounds absolutely great; can I get a copy from Amazon??

Corpus, you have been made an honorary LEVEL 6 instructor. I will send you one of the three remaining, secret amoeba whistles you can use during the symposiums you lead. Be sure there are no reptiles around when you use it (amoebas RULE!).

REPTILIANS ARE CONTROLLING MY MIND, PLEASE HELP!!!!

you can cherrypick the "good" theories in my opinion. I never follow a "guru" or a authority. These people like McKenna inspirate me but i dont follow this people. I pick the logical things from 1000000 people and build with that things a own theory about the world.

@camdemonium lol

but some guys(like me) are seeing other beings or "aliens" with DMT. Is that funny too?

i mean there is maybe other higher beings. I dont say that reptilians are controling the world

If he said that what we see is not necessarily what is really there, then he is right on the money. We can never be 100% sure that our senses are forming an accurate representation of the external world. Personally, my senses are incredibly accurate and have allowed me to survive in this world for as long as I have, but they do have limitations. I can tell the difference between maple wood and hickory wood (I work in a cabinet factory), and there are people who can accurately identify mushrooms using only their eyes and skin. Our senses are effective at relaying signals from the external world to us, but they are limited. We can only hear a range of pitches and see a limited range of wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum. For all we know, what we sense is merely a glimpse of what is really there.

That being said, it's important to know when your senses are painting an accurate picture of reality. If your upstream neurons are processing information incorrectly and your downstream neurons take that information seriously, it could lead you to believe some very incorrect ideas about the world.

So yeah, what we see is not always what is real. We can never know with 100% certainty what is real. All we can do is integrate our incoming sensory stimuli, analyze the patterns and make the most practical decision that we can.

His reptilian idea is shit though. However, just because his reptilian idea is wrong does not mean that his ideas about the mind aren't right.

And since I haven't had the opportunity to express my opinion on the subject, I'll say it now. Given that I believe that every moment of your conscious experience is the product of the electrical activity inside your mind, I believe that hyperspacial beings are manifestations of your own psyche. If our senses can lead us astray when they are not functioning properly, how do we know that our perception of hyperspacial beings are not the product of sensory malfunction? It may be quite a while before we develop the science to discern whether we are interacting with other beings or if we are interacting with ourselves. But then again, I've only broken through once. The remainder of my voyages have been in thalamus-land, where I see and hear significant signals and patterns and hope that my natural neural machinery reinforces any useful connections and breaks any worthless ones.

I'm going to stop this before this turns into a rant; I need to practice organizing my thoughts and ideas.