SWIM printed off Q21's tek, because he lacks the internet at home, and gave it a whirl. In the tek, it seemed that plastic containers and the like were being used with no concern, so SWIM did the same. Of course, now that SWIM comes on here to follow up on how his technique could be improved, he finds others saying that Q21 has a reputation for being rather careless about the health safety of his procedures, and now worries that there may be plastic in his result. SWIM wonders if dangerous impurities/plastic, etc are bound to follow the alkaloids when salting them out?

Also, SWIM bought the limonene from a company that manufactures earth friendly cleaning products. This whole plastic thing hadn't occurred to him yet at that point, so he didn't think much of it when they sold him the solvent in a plastic container. Now he doesn't have it handy, so he can't tell you what kind of plastic it is, but he also worries that this may be a source of contamination to his product.

So the question is, are there any plastics that won't dissolve in limonene, and any particularly that do?

And one final thing- if one salts out his DMT so that he doesn't have to evaporate it directly from the non-polar solvent, is there a reason why plain old, food grade vegetable oil can't be used? SWIM's tired of all this potentially health-damaging stuff, and in Canada it is extremely difficult to find supplies, let alone those of ingestible quality.

I luv tha chart Jimm..... thats pretty much all you will need to look at. good PP should work out well enough, although if you are concerned just use glass

Disclaimer

The information provided is based on resistance to Food Grade & High Purity d-Limonene. Compatibility should always be determined by individual users on a case by case basis.


Compatible Materials
Aluminum
Brass
Bronze
Carpenter 20
Ceramagnet
Ceramic
Copper
CPVC (Chlorinated polyvinyl chloride)
Delrin® (duPont™)
Epoxy
Formica™
Glass
Gold
Graphite
Hastelloy C
HDPE (High Density Polyethylene) Florinated
Kel-F® (duPont™)
Knynar® (Pennwalt Co™)
Nylon
PET/ PETG (Polyethylene Terephthalate)
Phenolic
Platinum
PVDF (Pennwalt Co™)
Ryton® (Phillips Petroleum Co.™)
Silver
Stainless steel
Teflon® (duPont™)
Titanium
Tychem® (duPont™)
Viton® (duPont™)
Zinc

Incompatible Materials
Buna-N
Europrene
HDPE (High Density Polyethylene)
Krynac
LDPE (Low Density Polyethylene)
Natural rubber
Neoprene
Nipol
Nitrile
PE (Polyethylene)
PP (Polypropylene)
PVC (Polyvinyl Chloride)
Tygon® (Saint-Gobain Co™)

High density polyethylene.. that is exactly the bottle it came in. Very disappointing indeed, as an extraction has already been performed, but is likely a waste from SWIM's perspective. He doesn't like ingesting plastic. Thanks for the info though.

as far as the chart, it says HDPE (High Density Polyethylene) Florinated is ok

It's not certified, but it's as pure as they can get it they tell me.. 99.9%+. It came straight from the manufacturer. Nowhere on the bottle does it say 'fluorinated', so I doubt it is..

Even though their limonene isn't technically certified, it doesn't seem like they're handling much in the way of toxic materials, so I'm not sure what likelihood there is of something dangerous ending up in there. I had a look at their website and 'non-toxic' seems to be their motto.. here it is- http://www.conceptmfg.ca/products.htm. SWIM may just have to start over once again though, sadly.

my d-limo comes in PETE.

I wonder if the other terpenes available will work just as good as they come in glass.

Think I may like to try eucalyptus terpenes.

This is interesting. Would companies that sell limo use plastic that is likely to degrade? How does one tell if the HDPE is florinated?

What about Jimjamshop's limo?

Well, jimjam is asking a lot for that limo.. SWIM just can't afford that. But I see no clear indicator on this bottle that it is fluorinated, so I'm assuming it isn't, for the better safety of SWIM's body. SWIM's decided that if he deals with these guys again, he'll either ask if the bottles are fluorianted, or just get them to fill a glass bottle of his own from now on. He trusts they aren't handling any heavy toxins there, as that would seem to go against the whole ethic of their business, which is to keep it clean and natural. But then again, there are probably many natural substances being produced in places like these that SWIM wouldn't want to ingest.

We shall see.. in the mean time, a fellow Nexian has provided SWIM with enough food grade limonene to last him a while, so looks like all will be fine.. just a bit of a learning curve that SWIM had to get over before he could properly learn how to procure the spice.

By the way, anybody know about using veggie oil?

I'm curious about veggy oil as well... I've read some accounts of it being used successfully to wash NP toxins off of hbwr seeds. I wonder how well it would work as a general purpose NPS.

Also, I assume that any company that sells "food grade" limo with flavoring as one of the applications would not sell it in an unhealthy container. It may be easier to get a reply if you ask how safe it is to eat their product. Whoever is answering customer emails at these places may have no idea what "fluorinated plastic" means.

Definitely makes sense...

many vegetable oils will probably work for extraction, but they are very non-selective, they will pull a lot of plant fats and oils and other stuff appart from dmt. But if you salt them out with fumaric acid and then do a water freebase conversion and crystallization (like the last steps of BLAB), its possible you would get some pure stuff. I remember someone using some vegetable oil but forgot what oil and where the thread was.

If you do try it out, dont forget to let us know

Hrmmm.. how about using veggy oil to defat when the goods are still in an acid phase? that should take out all the fats the veg oil would dissolve anyways. As long as the acid phase salt is not soluble in veg oil... I guess the only drawback is that you may end up with tons of nasty veg oil to dispose of. heh, unless you like bark or cactus fats in your stirfry.

You know guys, SWIM thinks he will give it a shot. Someone has to try this out.. if it works well it could make food grade extractions a lot more feasible for some folks.

Here is The veggie oil Tek by Spiceman ,

its really interesting.Swim is not sure of this but he thinks that the use veggie oil will result in a full range product or JimJam ?

The only problem about veggie oil is that you cannot use strong bases or else they will hydrolize your oil and it will become soap!

Dmt soap ,hmmm that sounds nice.