Some people say they have experienced moderate potentiation of LSD when they've taken Rue/Caapi beforehand...
like maybe double the effects. i'm not talking about "length" either, i mean "peak intensity." height no width.
adding rue in my experience did, indeed, seem to draw the experience out longer, though did not add any more "height" to it.

Gracie and Zarkov have written that rue multiplies LSD twofold. (i don't remember if it was from personal experience or just quoting dated literature)
I believe i remember 69ron saying that THH slightly subdues the effects of LSD, rendering the same dose more tame and gentle than if taken without THH.
i have just read briefly a study about giving people an MAOI (not plant based) and giving them various doses of LSD at different times...
it was concluded that MAOI's do not effect the digestion and assimilation of LSD... i.e. there was no potentiation. who knows if this applies to plant-based RIMA's??

my own limited experience, elaborated upon at length in the post "lysergic-acid + rue = therapy," is that the rue undeniably had a "taming" effect on the inherent ferocious nature of LSD. it certainly turned an energetic tiger, into a tame house cat. i could have never taken that much acid and been so calmly unaffected by it and relaxed without the rue. rue + acid is pretty much just mescaline: warm, relaxed, earthy, gentle, guided by a plant spirit, radiantly clear headed. takes away all the cold "synthetic" feel.
the only point to mention about my experience is that the rue dose was not very strong the begin with.
perhaps larger doses of the plant-based RIMA's provide a more valid potentiation that is overlooked at the lower end of the dose spectrum.

i have a caapi + LSD combo planned soon. the caapi dose will be stronger than the rue dose was in my previous experience.
the rue dose i took was barely enough to just feel a little "mellow." plus 1 only.
the caapi dose that works for me (25 grams) gets me to a more expanded state to begin with. solid plus 2.

in my "mescaline ayahuasca" thread, i start with around that dose of caapi and then add 200 mgs purified mescaline.
there was an undeniable potentiation of the mescaline, easily twofold.
i'm definitely not looking to turn my 115 mics of acid into 230 mics with caapi so i will probably take half a hit with caapi to start and redose if necessary.

dear friends, i would love to hear your experiences with the potentiation or subduing effects of rue/caapi on LSD.

When I experimented with a crude rue extraction (several acid boils dehydrated) and LSD, I experienced no potentiation and a greater body load. This was experimented with 3 times before giving up.

I'll be waiting patiently.
I am very interested in whether there is any benefits to taking Rue/Caapi or extracts prior or w/ LSD.
Some research indicates there should others do not and I haven't heard too many personal experiences.
Let us know how things go Dragon-n and if anyone else has any experiences w/ this combo I'd like to hear about it.

there is much benefit, shadowlord, from my limited experience.
please read my post: lysergic acid + rue = therapy
i go into detail about the "smoothing out" effects that rue has on acid.
i don't know about caapi though, as caapi is a lot stronger than rue for me so i'm not sure if it will be as gentle.
i will find out this weekend though...caapi plus acid is planned for saturday.

i have a few questions. care to elaborate, ragabr??
greater body load meaning negative body load? or just meaning greater body buzz?
3 times before giving up? did you not achieve effects you were looking for?? i found amazing results with it!!
i also do the same crude rue extracts with dehydrated teas.
it comes out to a thick black tar and i weigh out 1 gram of tar.
on it's own this comes to a plus 1 intensity for the gram of rue tar.
adding acid was superb on all levels, i'd say i succeded on my first try. far less uncomfortable body load, though it was a somatic experience also, for sure. it increased the body buzz while simultaneously allowing me to relax. almost like a cannabis-style body feel.
that's why i'm curious about your giving up...

okay i'm convinced that my rue dose was not large enough to potentiate the LSD.
after my experience, here, with a strong dose of caapi plus LSD, i'm absolutely certain that if the dose is large enough, there is VAST potentiation of LSD.
non-believers be warned.
caapi + LSD is a beast among medicines.

I normally don't have much of a body load at all from LSD, tremors and an inability to find a comfortable position. Usually I can just lay back with a mindfold and journey. With the rue extract, each time there were major tremors and a constant sense of a need to be in motion, fidgeting. The entheogenic aspect of the experience did not feel increased.

Could be just me though.