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#1 Posted : 9/13/2010 10:06:45 PM

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this's an almost lol question but swim want try to post it anyway.. is there a site in the web where someone can order this stuff?
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#2 Posted : 9/13/2010 10:33:24 PM

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I highly doubt there's anyone selling Claviceps spp.-spores openly online. If you want Claviceps spp., you should look for it growing in your area. What do you intend to use it to anyway? The products they produce are highly toxic and actually lethal, in addition to the LSA you possibly want.
 
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#3 Posted : 9/13/2010 10:36:31 PM

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lethal? not likely.
toxic perhaps, but not necessarily lethal
they're potent vasoconstrictors
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#4 Posted : 9/13/2010 10:53:17 PM

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Very interesting question. I looked around quickly and didn't find any sources, but I'm sure it can be had from somewhere. I'll keep looking...

Are C. Paspali cultures similar to C. Purpurea cultures in terms of their toxic effects (e.g., 'St. Anthony's Fire' and gangrene)? Could they be cultured on agar or enriched grains, similarly to some of our other little fungal friends? Is it possible to reliably separate the preferred alkaloids from the dangerous ones? Sorry to respond to your question with a bunch more, but I often contemplated the idea of culturing Purpurea as a kid and eventually gave up because of a general lack of info/resources as well as some scary warnings from the few sources I could find. I'd love to know if anyone's got any more info on cultivating this interesting fungus. This would be for ergotamine's beneficial effects on migraine headaches, of course.

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#5 Posted : 9/13/2010 11:28:36 PM

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benzyme wrote:
lethal? not likely.
toxic perhaps, but not necessarily lethal
they're potent vasoconstrictors

Have you heard about ergotism? Earlier it was a more or less common occurrence, where many people did indeed die because of consumption of ergot.
 
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#6 Posted : 9/14/2010 8:48:27 AM

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jmaxton wrote:
Very interesting question. I looked around quickly and didn't find any sources, but I'm sure it can be had from somewhere. I'll keep looking...

Are C. Paspali cultures similar to C. Purpurea cultures in terms of their toxic effects (e.g., 'St. Anthony's Fire' and gangrene)? Could they be cultured on agar or enriched grains, similarly to some of our other little fungal friends? Is it possible to reliably separate the preferred alkaloids from the dangerous ones? Sorry to respond to your question with a bunch more, but I often contemplated the idea of culturing Purpurea as a kid and eventually gave up because of a general lack of info/resources as well as some scary warnings from the few sources I could find. I'd love to know if anyone's got any more info on cultivating this interesting fungus. This would be for ergotamine's beneficial effects on migraine headaches, of course.

-JM


No paspali cultures are lesser toxic compared to purpurea,they have lesser vasocostrictor alkaloids like ergometrine cianoclavine ..they could be cultivated on agar and exatly yesta evening i saw on erowid or maybe shroomary,yes i think was shroomary of a nice grow of it (it seeemed like a yogurth cultures but the guy said it's same concetration of lsa by weight of HBWR) enough to focus my attention on it:For alkaloids separation..really dunno i think yes,but not easy,dunno if is sufficient use different polarity solvents or if a cromatografy column is needed
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#7 Posted : 9/14/2010 10:42:17 AM

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few interestin links related to paspali, cm'on dudes we must find it, i don't think is easy find em in wheat field,i think it's difficult find purpurea too but i really don't know,i've never searched Rolling eyes
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#8 Posted : 9/14/2010 4:41:40 PM

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Evening Glory wrote:
benzyme wrote:
lethal? not likely.
toxic perhaps, but not necessarily lethal
they're potent vasoconstrictors

Have you heard about ergotism? Earlier it was a more or less common occurrence, where many people did indeed die because of consumption of ergot.


c.paspali is not ergot
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#9 Posted : 9/14/2010 5:13:18 PM

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Are you sure? Wikipedia (which can be wrong at times) does say in the ergot page that this is a name that includes 50 species including C. paspali
 
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#10 Posted : 9/14/2010 5:15:42 PM

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yes, i'm sure.

ergot is the french word for rooster's barb, which is what claviceps purpurea resembles.
c.paspali has some different peptides and alkaloids. it doesn't have lysergine, but it has LSH.
although they share some lysergic derivatives, c.paspali is not the same as c.purpurea.

wiki was also a source that told you dmt was produced in the pineal gland
(it's been edited)

apparently, they claim "ergot" is the word used to classify the entire family of claviceps.
well c.paspali does have the 'ergot alkaloids', and then some
but there's no evidence that suggests c.paspali is potentially lethal. toxic, yes..i wouldn't recommend eating raw paspali fungus

http://www.lycaeum.org/leda/docs/50.shtml?ID=50
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#11 Posted : 9/14/2010 5:41:19 PM

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here's a study on c.paspali toxicity

"...In spite of the severity of symptoms, no dead animals were
reported."
"Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
 
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#12 Posted : 9/15/2010 5:52:54 PM

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i went to biological departement at university today...i remember they had some old sclerotia of purpurea in sheves but i dunno if they have paspali too,i would ask to phytochemistry teacher that believes in gnomes Shocked but i dunno if she would agree (anyway i heard voices that some students smoked mj with her) swim had some funny times with another teacher smoking chilooms and drinking wine all the night,he's an agronomy teacher..maybe he has access to this things too.
omfg paspali sounds like the plant of gold and holy grail lol
you could do already drinkable bottles of liquid culture with it
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