@fractal - Yeah, there are a couple in my group who don't get the crash, and a couple who get it pretty bad, I have no explanation for it, but it doesn't seem to be necessarily related to frequency or habituation, it's more that those who do get the crash noticed it through repetition, and are now becoming 'wiser" about wanting to avoid it.

"Rivea Corymbosa"

Never heard of it. Will read up on it.

"The 2C series"

I've only tried 2C-B a couple of times, I found it interesting, very visual, but it seemed like it could induce anxiety, which is why I've only done it after mdma. I hear can also have an mdma-like crash, though softer.

I'm interested in the other ones though. I hear very mixed comments about 2C-E, which makes me nervous but also curious about it. Again, I'll have to read up more to figure it out.

"Salvia"

Yeah, that's got to be a joke. I've never tried it, but jbark is making me curious about it. Obviously not in a "group fun" context though. That's probably THE one I'll want a sitter for if I ever get around to it.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions, I'm writing myself a list of things to read up on because there's a lot there. The search is a fun process in itself. I think mescaline is probably going to be the next experiment for this context. I like how everyone describes the experience as being positive and talkative, and I've yet to read about bad experiences, though I'm sure I'll find a couple on Erowid.

Sorry man just wanted to warn you in case you hadn't been there yet. If you're looking for the "club drugs" then definitely check out 2c's, they are very mild and controllable psychedelics, especially 2c-i from my experience; also MDMA and its just-as-wild cousin MDA are great for listening to dubstep under strobe lights! If you're crashing off MDMA/MDA be sure to boost your serotonin back up with 5-HTP.

Haha dubstep is precisely what gets our nights going. Not always in a club though, we try to find private places where we can turn the sound up. MDMA is just too hard on my serotonin, even with 5-HTP, that's what triggered the search. I'll look into the 2Cs for sure.

well i'm no party animal anymore but....
i think 2c-b is everything that MDMA is and more. the only thing it lacks is a "gushy" quality that makes you wanna say to everyone over and over again, "i love you and appreciate you so much."
other than that it's got deeply empathogenic vibrations with a bliss that, i feel, is easily as intense as MDMA. it is also a great for conversation as long as the dose isn't too high. (it's hard to keep a straight face with someone who's transforming into different animals before your eyes!!!)
as long as you get used to the effects first and keep the dose moderate, i can't think of anything more suited to partying with good friends.
i think all the 2c's can produce strong anxiety when the doses get larger, and their body effects get more jangly and irritating.
but as for the hangover, 2c-b is the only molecule i've ever tried that has no hangover whatsoever. (except smoked DMT--no hangover)
i'm quite prone to feeling run-down after psychedelics, even natural ones, so this is unprecedented in my experience.
i've never heard of the "serotonin-draining" sensations from 2c-b. i don't think it works on those receptor sites.
of course everyone can have a different reaction but, in my experience, 2c-b is all around friendly with little to no after-effects.
She has certainly replaced MDMA in my psychedelic "tool kit."
best of luck!!

Try drinking a ton of beer then drink a lot of kava extract thats my party drug combo its very euphoric social great to dance on is all around a very enjoyable time

Interesting..

It all depends on the type of "party"
swim likes to camp at a local river for a night every few weeks in summer with around 10-20 close friends, but sometimes it can end up being as much as 40 people and end up lasting a few days. Me and my good friends set up several spots to camp, so if theres anything to bother us we go to another camping spot deeper in the woods, sometimes we have a bondfire or such.
Everyone tokes, and most drink, some get drunk. Occasionaly one or 2 of us trip, usually on shrooms.
Its a great enviroment to trip in, as if one were to have problems they could get a trusted friend or two and sit in front of a fire at another campsite until they feel better.
I would never take any psychedelics at any partys other than this though.


Also, elemi oil sounds like it would be perfect at a party if mescaline is good, but I haven't tried it.

2c-i. very very fun for the party scene. energy, visuals, and an enjoyable body high. it is also very clear headed, tho can be overly emotional on the comedown.
other than that, dance on acid!

Can i get a show of hands for all you nexians that LOOOOOVE 2c-i as much as i do?

I seem to get along better with 2c-e than 2c-i. At least at significant doses. I'm not sure I would want to party on either of those though.

With the tolerance build up it is in no way a party drug.
But I wanted to tell you I consider LSA (hawaiian baby woodrose) to be my entacttheogen. If that helps...
But use sparingly or it will be nothing.
It has that homely connected feel of mushrooms but with the racing of L to keep everyone together. and its communal so if some people have weak stomaches they need not even take it to still be a part of the group

I dunno about anyone else but I would much rather take 2-CE on: an ipod fueld nature walk up into the hills and through forest trails...
Or, out in the sunshine laying around on a grassy patch with a big fat soundsystem and plenty of toys (devilstiks,laptop,poi,etc)

2c-b is definitely the most easygoing psychedelic i have ever tried.
It's easier for me to be in a club or among drunk people on 2cb then when
I'm sober or drunk.
I'm usually very nervous and dont like the "drunk places" much at all.
I have ventured into crowded places on 2c-b and it's more like
a fascinating trip to the zoo. You know, watching the monkeys.
It's short lasting, and for many people no hangover.
Just get a hang of what dose to take beforehand.
Can be quite vaso-constricting and "gassy" though.

Hand up! ♥ 2C-I




Its important to know that combining alcohol and kava could increase the load on the liver and those with liver health issues should read about the liver health issues.

Dunno what all you are on about with your alpha-numeric party parcels, but I party with streamers and presents and black forest birthday cake and chocolate milk and clowns.

i know, I should see someone.

JBArk the perpetual party child

You could always take the "Special brew challenge" This involves drinking 4 cans of 9% lager in 1 hour. This makes for some extremely interesting parties, and I swear it has a psychadelic effect.

If a near death experience can be considered psychedelic, then yeah!!

so am i reading this right, u are looking for something to replace mdma to mix with ketamine?
now i have never tried k, but i have watched friends puddle themselves with this crap, and get sick. it seems to me like a very undesirable and un-sociable substance. this is just my observation, and i would love hanging with them while on other substances.
u also mentioned replacing 'pills' in reference to mdma. if in pill form, are u sure it is pure mdma? ive been to psy parties in quebec, and gotten capsules with powder, and it seemed pure...

imho forget the k

try something different

Hahahahahaha. "Special brew challenge"

O god.

When out acid is probably my favourite drug. Doesn't matter where i am or what i'm doing, or how much i've had (yet anyway haha) but after getting into a habit of doing it so much it stopped really working so well so i've had a break for a good few weeks and tried to get some today but my friends in luton

I can take most things when i'm out really. Don't really like drinking (still end up doing it though) and the body load of everything over a low dose of mushrooms is a bit much for me to dance with. I could still stand at the side though!

2cb is another one i like and have probably done too much of (thank god the tolerence goes faster than trips!) but i have yet to have a working mescaline experience after trying the resin tek and a standard brew, both with dry chips however. Neither worked but i imagine i'd really enjoy mescaline from the masses i've read about it. Pretty expensive stuff to make though!

SWIM raises their hand for 2c-i!!
also a low dose of acid or shrooms

for poker parties that SWIM attends, a nice dose of Ma Daeng kratom can bring out a nice euphoria while keeping an amazing poker face (of course no alcohol)