Hey guys,

I don't know wtf is going on. I've had a terrible time breaking through or even getting anywhere for that matter. Tonight, I smoked two different kinds of spice. One that was freshly made today, white crystals, clumps actually. This hurt like HELL! I'm wondering if I didn't let it dry enough after noman's tek. I also had some old dark yellow stuff that originally was white but over time it turned dark yellow.

It seems like the dark yellow gets me further. I assume this is oxide. The white stuff, completely dark trip. It just seemed to warp the room and that's about it. And that's after 4 big hits. Tonight, the yellow stuff didn't do anything.

I bought a vapor genie tonight for $70 from the headshop. I used it and the smoke was HARSH. I use to smoke it in a bong, and I'd take 6 and 7 hits and MAYBE get some good visuals after the second or third try. I thought it was smoking technique so I bought the vaporgenie and eh.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm one of the 5% that Dr. Strassman talks about. I've had some great experiences before but it's been tough lately! I haven't smoked in a few months, so it's not too much use.

I'm wondering if I need to clean this stuff. Maybe recrystalize. Something. The white stuff feels really "soapy" if that makes any sense. Almost like detergent. Too much naptha? I let it dry for about 6 hours before smoking it.

Anyway, long story short, it seems to hurt a lot when I blast off. Then while I'm trying to get there, I'm overwhelmed with chest pain and a mucus type feeling. Any thoughts???


Cheers!

How big is a dose? Are you weighing your doses? Do you have a scale? Are you adding any plant material to your dose? If so, what? If not, are you using multiple screens to hold the melted DMT, or metal mesh, or ??? If using metal mesh, are you burning off any residue prior to use? How exactly are you using the VG? What type of lighter do you use? Did you recrystallize your spice? After drying, could you smell naphtha in it? Have you ever tried and/or made changa? Have you ever pre-dosed with an MAOI?

Lots of questions.

And a few comments: DMT does have a waxy or soapy feel to it. Without added MAOI, dividing a dose into 6 or 7 hits will almost guarantee a failure to break through. It just takes too long to get that dose in. Vaporizing with a GVG produces vapor that is very smooth and comfortable to inhale. I assume the VG isn’t much different, so it seems unusual that the vapor would be harsh. Hmmm…

I chime in: the vg does not produce harsh vapor for most people including myself. I prefer the gvg but have used a classic ass well. This is both with full spectrum jimjam or with the super pure white spice. 6 hours may be enough time where you live. Here, it is humid and solvents take forever to evap. Even acetone is a pain because it evaps so cold it causes condensation of water from the air.

You should not be able to detect the smell of solvent at all before smoking. Did you freeze precip?

We can help better once we get more info on how your doing it.

i think changa it up, then stick it in the vg..and take huge rips. The leaf bed works OK in the vg, but its not as immediate as changa and sometimes takes a few tokes to get going

exhale almost completely before hitting it, then when you do just keep inhaling until your lungs are full and hold it in as long as possible! It sounds like your just not getting enough in, since its harsh smoke. Changa should really help with this, the smoke isn't harsh at all ime. And make sure you not hitting the mesh stuff with the flame..just dip it in a little bit so it starts to heat up

Hi again,

Thank you for the kind replies. To answer some of the questions. No, I'm not using a scale to measure the doses. We usually measure out a half gram and just fill the pipe up and take three big tokes each. So I would imagine I'm smoking at least 200mg in the several tokes I take. I can't seem to hold in the smoke for more than 10 seconds each, so maybe that is a problem right there.

For the bed leaf, I usually use parsley but the parsley doesn't really burn. In the bong, I keep the lighter about an inch away from the bowl and just melt the DMT. In the vaporgenie, I followed the tutorials on youtube. I'm using an electric bic lighter and I really didn't get "vapor", i got "smoke". Do you think I burned it up??

I've never heard of Changa but I just saw it on the forum so I'll research that more. I don't seem to detect any naptha in the spice but it's possible there was some last night.


Here is a pic of the spice. The dark yellow use to look white but I kept it in an amber jar for about 3 months and it turned this color. The stuff on the left is fresh. I don't know if this helps or not. no, I have never washed any of the product nor have I tried a recrystalization process. Do you think it would help?? I've always been under the impression that one or two big hits is all you need. Hmmmm...... With the dark yellow, I evaporated it. With the white, I freezed it.

I find that the added oxygen molecule is more of a hyberspace experience where the white is more of a warped reality type of experience. Last night, the entire room warped and was not recognizable but there were no beings, no visuals, no colors, nothing at all. On the pure white, I've seen beings appear IN the room, rather than in a hysperace setting. It always seems to be a really dark trip with the white, mad aliens, dark beings inside of the room. One time I saw little "kazoos" (like in the Flintstones) running around everywhere.

Last night my twin flame thought she was dieing. She saw reptilian beings in the corner saying her heart is going to stop.She actually got up during the experience and turned on the light to find the water. I've never been able to communicate with any beings, only seen them. The other night, on the yellow spice, I saw colors similiar to the banner above but the elves were hiding behind them. The vividness of the experience seems to be lacking and I'm not sure if this is due to extraction or smoking technique or what. Very strange indeed.

Could the bark be a problem? I noticed it was weak. I only got .5 grams out of 300 grams of bark and the second extraction didn't yield anything.

Thanks again!! Looking forward to the replies.


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I dont know about the chest pain but mucus and any other weird feeling in ur throat is fine, even if u teeth skin is itching thats fine, like feeling your lungs wet is also fine, having tear drops is also fine.. there are some effects you should expect sometimes. but i dont know about the chest pain part really never happened to me personally.

Changaaaa

Here’s one problem I can think of: if you’re adding 500mg DMT at a time to your smoking device, chances are very good that much of it is running off and dripping down the sides of the bowl, the stem, etc. and as a result never getting vaporized. Add enough for one or two doses, not 10-20 !!

Also, the photo you linked is very blurry, but your spice looks strange: the white spice has a crumbly, chalky appearance (might just be the blurry photo). Clean, properly extracted spice is crystalline and rather sparkly. Clean that spice!

maybe try a hennessy machine. SWIM made one a few days ago that is a hennessy machine in principle. SWIM got the smallest (first) chamber from an odd couple bong and took out the conepiece and the bit at the top of the stem the conepiece fits into. Then take a small piece of balled up steel wool and burn it to clean it and cram it in the end, make sure its tigh enough that it wont pull through. then take a tube (SWIM used the one that was on the bong) and put it into the whole on the side of the chamber (exactly where it would be normally) and your done. to smoke put some dmt onto the steel wool and heat the stem around the steel wool being careful not to burn the dmt, youll see it melt into the wool. Then flip the whole thing upside down (stem pointing down) and let it rip, youll get the whole hit in only a second or so of toking and it's a lot smoother then any other way SWIM has tried.

parsley can be harsh sometimes. Use mullein its the best hands down. Its a total game changer you'll see.

also make sure your spice is clean, I've become obsessive about that. Dirty spice can cause all kinds of problems .

strange that your having dark journeys on the pure stuff. VG should be effective and not harsh

Why are you smoking 500mg of DMT at once and hitting it several times? When you smoke it, the power is all in the first hit pretty much. You just need to hold it. If you keep exhaling too soon and waiting to hit it again your trip isn't going to be very intense. The second you inhale DMT your body begins breaking it down rapidly, and after the first hit, your body is in breakdown mode and breaks down the DMT much faster than the initial hit. And you said you were smoking it out of a bong? I hope you weren't putting the flame directly on it...

I use this method and it works for me flawlessly, and it's not very harsh at all. Just put some tobacco or bud ashes at the bottom of the bowl, put the dmt on top of it. I recommend just using a pipe, a bong is overkill and probably harder to light without burning the dmt and destroying it. Hit it with the lighter held way above it, so that the flame doesn't touch the dmt, but just barely hovers over it. The DMT will melt down into the ashes, give it a couple seconds, then roast the ashes with the flame to get any dmt you missed. Take ONE hit, as big as you can, and hold it. When I do it this way, I take my whole dose in the first it, if you tried hitting it a second time you wouldn't even get anything. I never really desire more than a 50-75mg dose. Also don't smoke it more than once an hour, if you smoke it again right after you come down, it will be weak.

I have to second trying mullein for a smoking herb or for infusing.
I have found the taste to be quite nice w/ mullein and the trip seems to come on smoother and the visuals have been different in color and nature w/ mullein vs just smoked in a bong on some chore.
I also like the whiter/cleaner DMT vs the darker yellow.
Although if it is crystalline that is more of an indicator than color many times. I had some neon yellow tinted clear crystals that were beautiful to look at and to experience.

Try a heat gun instead of bic lighter. Like the one here - https://dmt-nexus.me/for...aspx?g=posts&t=11545

It is almost impossible to burn your spice with it.