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fraterS.O.L.
#1 Posted : 8/26/2010 2:12:00 AM

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This may or may not be every ones cup of tea but it worked great for me and could be just as good for you if you gave it a chance.

The Herbal Percolator has been all over the ayahuasca forum but I haven't seen any reference to the use of it in extracting chrysalline DMT. It is, however, an excellent tool for extraction.

The herbal percolator is made by cutting the bottom off of a quart hdpe spray bottle and stuffing the neck with cotton balls. You can then place your plant material inside the percolator and run acidified water through to extract all the Alkaloids leaving behing the majority of the tannins in the cotton filter.

So besides a THP the material list is the same as a basic vinegar and lye A/B.
For the sake of having a clearly written, easy to follow tek I'll list them anyway:

THP
2-4-5 gallons of 3:1 water:vinegar mixture (each gallon being 3 quarts water and 1 quart vinegar)
NaOH
At least 1 empty gallon jug to collect the tea as it comes through THP (after that one can use the jug they just emptied)
Large Stainless Steel or Ceramic pot for boilng dow the tea thats collected
A 1L jar or liquor bottle
Smaller jar for collection(a pint jar should do)
Large glass or hdpe funnel
Naptha or Heptane (whichever you like best)
Turkey baster with rubber tubing attached or a medicine dropper to siphon off solvent
Coffee filters
Chemical resitant gloves and goggles
Breathing masks like are sold in the paint isle at the hardware store(yucky fumes are badd for you)
Pyrex measuring cup

Step 1: Liquid Extraction
a.) Place the herbal percolator neck down into an empty gallon jug. Place a pice of cloth or paper in the spout of the gallon
jug to allow for some airflow.
b.) Place 50-100g of powerd MHRB down in THP. The ammount of bark will determin the ammount of water you need. 2-3gal for
50g, 3-4gal for 75g, 4-5gal for 100g. If you wish to be more specific the ratio is 1g:150ml but run water through until
until it comes out clear.
c.) After you empty one gallon of vinegar/water you can use that jug to collect the next gallon you run through. Once you
are satisfied that you have all the goodies you are ready to reduce the collected liquids down to a workable amount.
To do this simply pour as much of it as you can into your boing vcessel, maiking sure to leave room at the top so it
wont boil over, and bring to a boil. A fan can be placed over the boiling vessel to ad in evaporation.
d.) When it boils down to about half of the pot, add more. keep on like this until all of your collected tea is boiled down
to around 600-700ml. It doesn't have to be exact you just want it to fit in your liter jar/bottle with excess room for
enough basic water to bring the ph to 11-13 and naptha.
e.) Cover your boiling vessel and put it in the fridge to allow all the tannins/plant material that appears during reduction
to settle. When satisfied that it has settled carefully pour off your tea through the funnel and into your liter
jar/bottle. You may want to place a filter in the funnel to catch any sediment that may be poured off with the liquid.
You should be left with some nice dark but see-through purple/pink tea.

Step 2: Basification
a.) Prepare an extremely basic solution of water and NaOH. Approiximately enoug to bring the level of the liquid in your
container up to where you can just fit 50-100ml of naptha on top with room to shake. This is why I prefer liquor bottles.
You can fill it just up to the bottom of the neck and have the perfect amount of space at the top.
b.) Slowly add your basic water into your tea. It will get hot so I usually wear gloves. Gloves are a good idea in general
when you are working with dangerous chemicals.
c.) Your tea should get dark, almost black or very black. If it hasn't gotten very dark then you may have to seperate the
liquids into two containers to completely basify. If this is the case let it sit for a while to fully react and fill up
to a point as suggested in step 2.a with water.

Step 3: Non-Polar Extraction
a.) Boil some water on the stove. when it gets boiling remove from heat. Place a hand towel at the bottom of the pot to
prevent the measuring cup from sticking Pour 50-100ml into your pyrex measuring cup and place the measuring cup into the
hot water. Allow time for the naptha to get hot.
b.) If the liquid your extracting from has cooled considerably you may want to add a little more NaOH to gett it warm or
you can warm with hot water in the sink. You don't want to heat your naptha up only to have your aqueous solution cool
it right back down
c.) When your solution and your naptha are both pretty warm you can pour in the naptha and rock it end over end for 5-10
minutes and allow it to settle into layers. Roll again for another 5-10 minutes and allow to settle. Repeat this one
more time and it should be ready to seperate. If the naptha changed colors after the first or second time rolling then
don't roll it again and move on to seperation. The naptha should remain clear.
d.) Use you turkey baster or medicine dropper to quickly remove the naptha(top) layer and place in a smaller collection
vessel.
e.) Repeat Step 3.a-d a total of 4 more times(at least) collecting the naptha in the same jar.

Step 4: Reduction of NPS and Freeze Precipitation
a.) Prepare a water bath as in Step 3.a and place your combined non-polar extraction collection jar in the bath.
b.) Allow to sit in the water bath until the volumed is reduced to 1/5 the total. (100ml if combined total is 500ml)
As the water cools, remove the collection jar and add more water if nessicary, reboil the water, remove from heat
and return the collection jar to the water bath. DO NOT HEAT NAPTHA DIRECTLY ON A BURNER EVEN IN A WATER BATH
c.) Once your Naptha is reduced to 1/5th the amount remove from the water bath and allow it to cool to room temperature.
Once it has cooled that far place in the fridge for and hour or two, then into the freezer. Look at it in the morning
and TADA! Pretty white chrystals should have formed.
d.) Scrape the crystals off of the sides and into the cold naptha. Swirl and quickly pour through a filter paper into another
container. Do this all in the door of your freezer to prevent the solvent from warming up and redisolving your product.
Pour hte cold naptha back in the original jar to collect any remainig goodies. Whenn satisfied place the filter on a
plate and in your freezer to dry. This to is to prevent loss of product. when it has little of no solvent smell left it
can be removed and put out to finish drying.


This tek worked wonders for me. I never got over .7% yeilds from A/B teks in the past. The first time i tried this i ended up with .8g out of 50g of mhrb, 1.6%, of VERY clean spice. I'm fairly certain that if THP is used that anyone can get the most out of their bark. If you are already getting yeilds like this from you usual A/B and don't care to take the extra time prescribed in this tek, congrats and more power to ya. For those who, like me, get less than satisfactory yeilds and a little time on their hands, this tek is a great way to get nice, clean yeilds. As always go with what you know/like best, but I found this to be fun and rewarding so give it a shot!

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Don't even know what that means
Must remember to write it down,
This is so real
Like the time Dave floated away
See my heart is pounding
'Cause this **** never happens to me!"
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LucidJ
#2 Posted : 8/26/2010 3:36:03 AM

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I might try this. Do you use hot water in step 1b? If no, why not?
 
fraterS.O.L.
#3 Posted : 8/26/2010 5:58:27 AM

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Room temp is what I used. I'm not sure but I think its because hot water will run through to quick. The idea is while its steeping the alks are being pulled out and basically stan at-the-ready to dive in the next available spot in the water. If its going through the percolator to quick they'll miss their chance. Like I said, I'm not sure why its better colder but general consensus says it is. Worked great for me! Have fun with it!
"Then he looked right through me
With somniferous almond eyes
Don't even know what that means
Must remember to write it down,
This is so real
Like the time Dave floated away
See my heart is pounding
'Cause this **** never happens to me!"
Tool - Rosetta Stoned


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fraterS.O.L.
#4 Posted : 8/27/2010 4:38:04 PM

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Also, apparently the amount of vinegar doesn't need to be 1/4 the water mix. I just started a 100g run and just poured out like 2 cups from each gallon (eveballed) and replaced it with 5% vinegar. That was enough to put the ph between 3 and 4 accoding to my litmus papers and it seems to be pulling out the goods.

Another thing I noticed is that as the bark powder steeps it seems to star to lose its color and turn a greyish purple. I don't know if this is a good indicator of alks left in there but I will keep steeping untill all of it is this color and see if my yield% goes up.
"Then he looked right through me
With somniferous almond eyes
Don't even know what that means
Must remember to write it down,
This is so real
Like the time Dave floated away
See my heart is pounding
'Cause this **** never happens to me!"
Tool - Rosetta Stoned


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fraterS.O.L.
#5 Posted : 8/27/2010 8:42:40 PM

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One jast thing to note is that you may want your THP slightly leaned against something for balance. Mine just soaked my shirt when it fell over. Good thing I only lost maybe a hlf cup of liquid.
"Then he looked right through me
With somniferous almond eyes
Don't even know what that means
Must remember to write it down,
This is so real
Like the time Dave floated away
See my heart is pounding
'Cause this **** never happens to me!"
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fraterS.O.L.
#6 Posted : 9/4/2010 8:51:50 PM

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Ok I finally got around to extracting my 100g tea yesterday. I made 4 pulls around 50ml each. I pooled these together and reduced. I spilled about 15ml because I got in a bit of a hurry(my fiancée's sister was in town, they went to eat and to a friends to visit and got back earilier than expected so I didnt get it reduced far enough to fit in my shot glass. That sucked because the ~50ml I managed to get in the freezer put out 1.32g. That means it held like 26.4mg/ml which means my hypothetical yeild could've been more like 1.7g. No use crying over spilt milk I guess...

So I used the naptha from that fp n made another pull thats in the freezer now and looks like it'll give me another 200-300mg and I'll probably make 1 or 2 more after that just to exhaust it. My dcm should be in soon so I may see what it might do for me to. So in summation I'm not too disapointed with the extraction, and who knows it may keep giving me spice for 4 more pulls or something.

Happy Travels - S.O.L.
"Then he looked right through me
With somniferous almond eyes
Don't even know what that means
Must remember to write it down,
This is so real
Like the time Dave floated away
See my heart is pounding
'Cause this **** never happens to me!"
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Garulfo
#7 Posted : 10/15/2010 1:21:12 AM

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SWIM said me that he used the THP+A/B (and freeze precipe) tek on 300 g of mimosa dye.
It takes time but it works by itself which makes it a very easy and convenient method. The more annoying is the water amount to reduce.

So far, SWIM get a first pull of 1.325 of very nice white crystals.
A second pull gathered 1.535 g of slightly yellowish ones.
So the current yield is a good 0.95%
The mimosa was store in a bag from a while (around one year). 0.95% of fluffy stuff is a nice yield considering this.

Great tek !
 
fraterS.O.L.
#8 Posted : 10/15/2010 3:05:58 AM

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Finally! So glad you liked it. I realize the length of reduction time for the gallons of liquid can be long. I tend to take a week on a A/B whether I do THP it or not, I find I get better results if I'm leisurely with it. I have a big 3 gallon stew pot I use with a small fan on it. I got 10 gallons from a 250g run reduced to fill a 1.75 liter grey goose bottle a little over half way up. It took me about 9 or so hours. I then proceeded to pull 3.3g of just slightly off-white fluff in just three pulls. I'm sure theres more in there too. This was fresh bark tho. I keep it in the freezer til I get ready to extract . Kudos on the great yeild but make at least 3 more pulls. I'd be willing to bet you get over 1%.
"Then he looked right through me
With somniferous almond eyes
Don't even know what that means
Must remember to write it down,
This is so real
Like the time Dave floated away
See my heart is pounding
'Cause this **** never happens to me!"
Tool - Rosetta Stoned


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Garulfo
#9 Posted : 10/17/2010 6:55:17 PM

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Quote:
I got 10 gallons from a 250g run reduced to fill a 1.75 liter grey goose bottle a little over half way up. It took me about 9 or so hours.


9 hours ! That's long... SWIM just put the 10 l water extract on a electric plate and reduced it to around 2 l in a couple of hours.

He got a third pull weigthed to 800 mg Althought a bit yellow, that makes a good 1.22 % Very happy

You might find also interresting that he performed a STB on the exhausted powdered bark... and yielded... almost nothing !
So most of the goodies were extracted thru the THP.
 
fraterS.O.L.
#10 Posted : 10/17/2010 10:41:19 PM

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Garulfo wrote:
Quote:
I got 10 gallons from a 250g run reduced to fill a 1.75 liter grey goose bottle a little over half way up. It took me about 9 or so hours.


9 hours ! That's long... SWIM just put the 10 l water extract on a electric plate and reduced it to around 2 l in a couple of hours.

He got a third pull weigthed to 800 mg Althought a bit yellow, that makes a good 1.22 % Very happy

You might find also interresting that he performed a STB on the exhausted powdered bark... and yielded... almost nothing !
So most of the goodies were extracted thru the THP.


2 hrs... thats damn good. I estimated on my time cuz i boiled it down two nights in a row plus it was 10 gallons, thats aroung 37.5 liters. So you used 10 l on 300 g and then did a STB yeilding nothing? Thats good to know, not only b/c it shows how effective this is, but if 10 l got every thing the my ratios are off. I was using 150 ml/g.
"Then he looked right through me
With somniferous almond eyes
Don't even know what that means
Must remember to write it down,
This is so real
Like the time Dave floated away
See my heart is pounding
'Cause this **** never happens to me!"
Tool - Rosetta Stoned


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fraterS.O.L.
#11 Posted : 10/17/2010 10:43:02 PM

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Garulfo wrote:
Quote:
I got 10 gallons from a 250g run reduced to fill a 1.75 liter grey goose bottle a little over half way up. It took me about 9 or so hours.


9 hours ! That's long... SWIM just put the 10 l water extract on a electric plate and reduced it to around 2 l in a couple of hours.

He got a third pull weigthed to 800 mg Althought a bit yellow, that makes a good 1.22 % Very happy

You might find also interresting that he performed a STB on the exhausted powdered bark... and yielded... almost nothing !
So most of the goodies were extracted thru the THP.


2 hrs... thats damn good. I estimated on my time cuz i boiled it down two nights in a row plus it was 10 gallons, thats aroung 37.5 liters. So you used 10 l on 300 g and then did a STB yeilding nothing? Thats good to know, not only b/c it shows how effective this is, but if 10 l got every thing the my ratios are off. I was using 150 ml/g. 10 l/300 g is just 33ml/g...
"Then he looked right through me
With somniferous almond eyes
Don't even know what that means
Must remember to write it down,
This is so real
Like the time Dave floated away
See my heart is pounding
'Cause this **** never happens to me!"
Tool - Rosetta Stoned


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Garulfo
#12 Posted : 10/17/2010 11:43:31 PM

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Quote:
So you used 10 l on 300 g and then did a STB yeilding nothing?


10 l was a rough estimation, might be between 8-12. SWIM stopped adding (PH 3) water when he saw that the color of the water was lighter and ligther. He thought that it was a quite effective way to know that nothing more could be extracted this way. But he performed a STB in case of.
 
fraterS.O.L.
#13 Posted : 10/18/2010 1:44:05 AM

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Hmm... so with the STB how much did you get? Obviously it isn't much but I wonder if the extra water run through is grabbing the left-overs or if its unnecessary.
"Then he looked right through me
With somniferous almond eyes
Don't even know what that means
Must remember to write it down,
This is so real
Like the time Dave floated away
See my heart is pounding
'Cause this **** never happens to me!"
Tool - Rosetta Stoned


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Garulfo
#14 Posted : 1/27/2011 2:28:49 AM

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Here is an update to the previous experiment.

SWIM was wrong. He kept the soup base left and several months later he heated the soup a bit and added a good 250 ml of naphta (or a bit more). After evaporating to 30 ml, he did a freeze precip.

That way he get again 772 mg of yellowish and pretty sticky stuff.

So there was still some usefull things after the THP step. The final yield is 1.2%. Not that bad.
 
 
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