And yet another very nice video. This one about nature following mathematics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkGeOWYOFoA

As me and MindIlusion we were discussing in the chat, isnt it incredible how mathematics is on one hand a human creation, but how also its a natural part of nature and existence?

Really mind boggling stuff

I learned a lot of this in math class, interesting stuff.

WOW! Thanks a lot for that link my friend! It is truly amazing how the Fibonacci sequence, the golden ratio and the numbers associated with them are to be found in next to any element in our physical (and perhaps our energetic?) world!

Agreed - it is almost as if we humans stumbled upon a language written into the fabric of nature. I wish I were better at it. I have often heard people speak of the "beauty" of maths.

Awesome video..elegance. Everything running in accordance, pushing for the most efficient route. I could get lost in something like that.

Ahhh...the fractal reality of nature....nothing is smooth or straight as those are man made concepts.

I have had a couple of journey's that involved OEV's where everything I viewed was prime and perfect. The grass had stopped growing at just he right height and uniformity. My fern looked as though it were made of emeralds. The trees were also uniform and all swaying in unison. I could see the framework, fabric behind this world and it was mathematical and quite beautiful.

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It's not too late to start looking at it! Oh and yes, when you start with university math subjects the beauty of mathematics really start showing itself. What you learn in high school is like... not really math at all (but you need it of course!). The true elegance of mathematics shows itself once you get really deep into it, it goes so far and it's pretty damn interesting =)

WOW!! This is just absolutely beautiful video endless; thanks so much for this! i have been seeing this thread on the Nexus "Active Topics" for a while, but never clicked on it until today..wish i had done so earlier. It sucks that this is only a short a clip..i would love to see a full documentary on this

It is indeed very mind boggling how we have discovered language and mathematics. It is more accurate to say that these are human discoveries, rather than creations since they were already present in the very fabric of spacetime itself before us humans could even comprehend it. Similarly, there's many identical unexplored and undiscovered phenomenons that are embedded in the structure of spacetime that are waiting to be discovered. Truly fascinating stuff..as time progresses, the crazier and eccentric it gets

I was never interested in Mathematics, but now i know why. its not the subject itself, but the content that is inadequately taught in our current educational systems. I find Calculus, and all that math absolutely boring, but Math like this- its interrelationship to nature- i could study days on end.. If only the schools taught math in this manner by illuminating its intimate relation to nature, I'm sure most students wouldn't find math abhorrent

Another beutiful video that talks about the mathematics within the fabric of nature: The Fingerprint of God

I can agree that the educational system does not teach math in a very stimulating and thouroughly interesting way in many instances, especially not before you get into university math, but that is not necessarily because it is not related to Nature. Mathematics is a very effective and concrete language we can use to describe VERY complicated things, making it simpler. It might not seem that we make things any more simple, but once you get to know math and it's applications in a variety of practical issues, you'll see that it's a lot simpler, a lot more efficient and a lot more accurate to use this language than to write lots of lots of pages. But if you are to describe something in Nature with the words of mathematics, you gotta know mathematics, so you gotta start someplace - with the theory.

Say you were to describe or find out something that is best described as an equation, how would you proceed to do this if you didn't know what an equation is and what it does? If you were to describe, say, the movement of a particle by the form of a function and a corresponding graph, how would you proceed to do such a thing without having a good course in calculus? It's like trying to read a book in a language you've never looked at before and expect to understand it without learning some basics first.

To change a problem into a mathematical problem requires understanding of mathematics.

Citta, do you have any ideas of how maths should be taught in school, any examples of lessons online, any names of teachers or projects described on the internet that have teached maths in a good way ?

I ask because I also have had problems learning maths, but nowadays I find it by intuition so beautiful, and would love so much to know more, but dont have the basic knowledge and anything more than the four basic operations is beyond my skills (and no time to really study it again). My plan in life is to develop a better educational system, and I have ideas how to do that and how to integrate many of the school's subjects but I have difficulty envisioning how to make maths an interesting subject because of my bad experience with it. So any ideas or comments regarding this are welcome

There are good teachers and there are bad teachers, and there are individual preferances and prerequisites to how things should be taught. Is there something wrong in the way math is taught in most instances? Yes, definitely. What can we do about that? I have a few suggestions:

A lot of math courses, a lot of schools and a lot of teachers doesn't include any history of the methods and concepts discussed. This derives the student of the opportunity to put what he is doing into a historical context. The student is not told why someone had to develop the method. What was the original problem, and who found out? Mathematics is after all developed by humans. For some it may be stimulating to know more of the history of mathematics, putting it in a historical and cultural context, whilst hearing where the idea came from might help the student to visualize and intuitively comprehend the concept.

There is a myth surrounding mathematics that goes something like this: "Nah, my brain is not created for mathematics, therefore I can't learn it". This is nonsense, everyone can learn mathematics with some work, will and effort. Mathematics is NOT reserved for a few people only, that's complete gibberish. Our attitude towards mathematics is awful, and contributes alot to how people perform in it. It's okay to say you suck in math when you're in high school, because everyone else says so. Before you've even met real mathematics and know what it is all about, you have been programmed not to like it, to perceive of it like something awfully hard and difficult and something to get away from.

Students and parents alike perceive of mathematics often like a set of skills that should be acquired, a set of skills that might prove useful in their later careers. This means that we think the skills must be learned, commited to memory, and no real understanding need occur. Since mathematics is useful, it must be tested. Since in our perverted view of math as a skill, it must be tested as a skill. Since it is useful, everyone must learn it. The result is that standard tests are applied that have almost nothing to do with a real and proper mathematical understanding, but showing a skill you have commited to memory. You are tested for brute knowledge and memory, speed and slickness. We as a culture doesn't seem to know what mathematics really is.

This is reflected in the way it is taught; There are no real problems, but goddamn exercises. "Here is a type of problem. Here is how to solve it. Do exercises 1-15 using this method". With this kind of education there is NO stimulation of the students intellect. The student doesn't get the opportunity to get curious and start thinking. The student is presented with a solution of a complex problem almost before knowing what the damn problem is. How about real questions like; How long is the diagonal of a cube? Do prime numbers keep on forever? Is infinity a number? It is questions like these that is the essence of mathematical development.

Mathematics is art, it is aesthetic beauty, it is a creative process. A paint teacher gets his students painting. A math teacher should get his student to do some real math. Present a good problem, get the students curious and see what they may come up with. Present solutions later! Education of math today is in short all about "lecture, test, repeat".

i absolutely agree Citta; and very wonderfully put Current maths is a memory-game, and the way its taught in most schools is to "memorize the method." Even when i was living in India, the students in the classroom didn't understand the concept of maths at all..but they aced their classes because of memorization in a competitive rat race.
By the time a student gets to college, all interest in maths is completely drained and seems pointless... "when the fuck am i gonna need to find an angle of a tangent in real world.." If maths' intimacy with nature, and the fractal universe was the basis or foundation from which it was taught, then this subject would be viewed from a different and broader perspective