Good for you ugh. I was gonna tell you about the egg white or jello tricks thinking that purrging was the proble, but I guess you solved your mystery. congrats.

for sure doubling the dose is going to give you a stronger experience, but this says nothing about the effectiveness of your experience. In fact, to me it says the inverse.. If you need 35g of mimosa for a decent experience, knowing this is 7x as much as what is needed for any normal mimosa, points out that
a- you have the worse supplier of mimosa Ive ever heard (but even if its weak, I doubt it would be nearly 10x as weak)
or b- your ingestion method is horribly flawed in some aspect

I would tend more towards b, or at least a mix of a and b. I feel sorry because its a huge waste of mimosa and money for you to have this experience and im sure it could be better.



thats not exactly good logic because, first of all, if you took twice the dose, it should have been twice as good result, so it would be hard giving any 'strenght' to this hypothesis of the heat variable. But most specially, the heat of boiling dmt in a solution absolutely does not destroy dmt. Several evidences: dmt in salt form has a boiling point higher than 100c. Also, Ayahuasca is traditionally boiled strongly for several hours with no decreased strenght. Also, in a typical A/B extraction the mimosa may be boiled also for several hours with no diminished yield.



wait, inevitable purge? So again you purged soon after? Man, obviously you arent getting much effects, you are throwing away all your dmt in that purge. A small part is being absorbed, again saving you from pure hell because 35g mimosa is a huge overdose which will probably make you swear off these substances for a very long time. I think you should eat some pure ginger before and after ingesting the mimosa to help with the nausea, and try to keep it down as long as possible. I also think that the fact that you are taking way too much is making your body react and throw it away, if you take a small amount, say, 5g, and keep it down all the time, it will be more effective. Just try it once and let us know. Another thing you can do is try the egg white tannin removal. Run a search and you'll find how its done, it helps with the nausea/bad taste.

I dont know the duration of moclobemide's action but there are other things to consider. Maybe moclobemide doesnt inhibit all the MAO, or maybe part of the MAO will not be inhibited anymore at that point. When one drinks the MAOI together with DMT in a solution, its possible that the MAOI will be protecting the dmt more effectively as its absorbed. Some may disagree but what I do know is from personal experience and from the experience of others I have read, it is more effective to drink it together or just after (max 20 mins after), than waiting so long. You can try it yourself and let us know how it went.

Again, maybe moclobemide is a good MAOI for dmt, maybe not. Maybe different metabolism from individuals will make them more or less prone to the MAOI action of one or another substance. Personally I like to avoid pharmaceutical MAOIs. On one hand because I dont like to give money to pharmaceutical industries, which I find arent the most ethical companies in the world. But also, I find a big part of the actual healing part of ayahuasca comes from harmalas (and its a fact that thh from caapi is responsible for increasing number of serotonin platelets in the synapses, which is basically making you more sensitive to serotonine, being like a natural anti-depressive action). I also like the effects of harmalas, I find that the synergy between them and dmt is very beneficial. Again, this is all personal, but I suggest you do try it sometime with harmalas instead, in the very least to know first-hand that its not for you and that you preffer moclobemide, or potentially to find that they are indeed much much better.

Even though I also feel that some of the plant matter can be beneficial, specially in the case of caapi vine, I do enjoy taking pure harmalas. Pure harmalas can be extracted from syrian rue, as I said before, and in this way you wont have to have 'nasty liquid' to drink. You can order it as I also said, if you dont want to extract.



again, problems I see here. You are drinking 200ml of liquid?! Damn man thats just wrong.. You can reduce all of your liquid to, say, 70-100ml, no need to drink so much, that will just be unnecessarily nasty. In fact, if you brewed your maoi and dmt together (rue/caapi + mimosa/p.viridis), you could make both of them together and reduce as low as 70-100ml, no need to drink too much liquid.

Just take all im saying as constructive criticism. I think your making many mistakes in your consumption, wasting your money and mimosa, and most specially, if you continue like this you are bound to have a very bad experience if you do end up making it effective one day, while taking all this unnecessary amount of mimosa. I really suggest you try to do the changes I am saying, at least once, to see if it works for you. If it doesnt, so be it, then you know, but I am pretty confident it will work. Let us know if you do try something different.

check this out ugh.
http://forums.mycotopia....asca-jello-finished.html

Thanks for your reply endlessness. Lots new ideas for me to try there and will be sure to give them a go next time. I'll report back in few weeks when I next try it.

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lots of info out there, regardless, Endless and crew here are a Much better source of info. id suggest forgetting much of what was learned elsewhere

Welcome btw

69ron stated in his discussion thread that d-limonene should be clear, I have ordered 2 big bottles of Citrus Siensis - Sweet Oranage, and its a deep oranage.
Will this cause any problems and bring impurities, this is really annoying as I have already soaked my cactus powder and calcium in water.

Citrus Siensis oil is only 90% limonene. I dunno what kind of problems it will cause or what the other chems in it are, but I'd look at the MSDS if I were you (and in the future try to get food grade limonene from jimjam shop if you're in the UK or greenterpene if you're in the States). I wouldn't use that stuff you've currently got, but you'll need to do the research and figure out how you wanna proceed.

Well I went ahead with the extraction, I feel like abit of an idiot ordering the oil but anyway this is what I have now ended up with after 1 Citrus Siensis oil extraction.



The top orange layer is just a tiny bit of the oil that came through (the gravy seperator was a nightmare and I finally gave up on it)
Below the oil is a weird floating solid and below that is light yellow vinegar, what do you guys think is this salvageable if i try and just keep the very bottom layer while trying to keep that floating solid out. And any idea what the floating stuff is, I guess its from using the oil.

siigh.

And let me just double check then, so this is the right stuff http://www.jimjamshop.com/34-limonene ?
I have another 100g's of pedro so I'll try again with the real stuff also, although on the website it does say its NOT food-grade.

This floating layer seems similar to what I had already even with mostly pure (96%) FG limonene, though its hard to judge exactly by picture. In part it was like an emulsion, which settled when I tapped for a few minutes on the jar. But I remember there was still some solids/foam floating in between the two layers that didnt go away. Maybe there is something in limo/oil that reacts with acids. But just separate the vinegar layer, leaving that part behind with the oil, and proceed as usual. You can just pour back the oil in the main extraction jar, with these solids and all, to reuse the limo for next pull, if you want.

good luck and keep us informed. Yeah thats the right stuff, the jimjamshop limo

Ok I've been seperating the bottom layer with a pipette for the past 20 minutes (as this gravy seperator is seriously useless lol) and it looks way more promosing now, VERY light clean yellow viniger, I'll post a picture soon.

Edit:



Here is the picture, right side is the new solution which i seperated using a pipette, left side is the old solution with abit of oil inside, finding it hard to get anymore without dragging that emulsion.

Well everything seems to have worked, but god does it take ages to dry out had it in the oven for hours on around 70-80c constantly flatening it out.
Anyway heres a picture of the final product before MEK, I might post a full selection of pictures later.

This is after just one citrus siensis pull, doing the other in a minute.
Ended up with 404mg from one pull, is that reasonable.


Maybe not the biggest extraction but it was my first time and I have found a few extra tools around the house to help me with the next pull, including 1ml syringes which should help me pull off all the final bits of vinegar.

Also must you add epsom salts to all kinds of mek to make it DRY? this is my mek:
http://www.seamarknunn.c...talog/info_IB203120.html

Thanks for the help

Nice one.

Thanks for that.

PS I'm confused by people talking about MHRB being expensive. I get it for £10/50g from a highly rated eBay vendor. Hence why I wasn't bothered about being wasteful with it.

wtf!!! thats really wrong on so many levels!!! what do you mean 'you dont mind' ? your body is a temple, are you going to be smoking/eating plastic? you should respect yourself some more! What if you have some serious problem because of it? What if you have such a big problem that you end up in the hospital and it gets found out that you were smoking dmt with plastic.. oh the media would love that.. Not to mention your health could be completely screwed, you suffering, your family or friends suffering with you because of your actions. Be more reasonable, thats just common sense man

Its the simplest thing in the world, no matter where you are, to get a glass jar or an hdpe bottle (just look for the triangle with the number 2 on the bottom of the containers.. you can buy it at any hardware store or supermarkets or whatever).

I dont know what 'petrol' you are using, I dont know if thats equivalent to naphtha or not.. did you do an evap test on it? are you sure its not some water-soluble solvent that you think is equivalent to naphtha but its not? try adding a bit to plain water and see if it mixes up.

I think you should absolutely throw this extraction away, no doubt about it (petrol+highly basified product for 2 days in ziplock?! jeez, man, for the love of god! ).

Then start all over again, with a propper container, use much more lye, like 5x more or something, make sure your solvent is good, and it will work.

I agree. Respect your body. What you're doing is self destruction and thats the last thing THEY want. I could even imagine that THEY would be very angry with you if you were to try this contaminated spice.

If you don't understand what is wrong with what you are doing then I think you have no place here asking any more questions. Or you try to understand what we are saying here or your out for a few weeks...

An extraction is not something you do quickly or without researching what you are exactly doing. Thinking it's ok to smoke some plastic gives a seriously bad example to other people who might visit this site. SMOKING PLASTIC IS WRONG! Gathering the right resources like the correct plastic or glass container is something so easy that I don't see why you make a problem out of it. If we see someone here who doesn't want to take or understand our well meant advice then we don't feel like answering your other questions, this since you seemingly aren't interested in it at all.


The Traveler

i posted a seperate thread on this, but i just realized its more appropriate to post it here, not trying to be redundant..

today was my first attempt at drying Epsom salt in the oven at 400 degress for an hour, to make Anhydrous Magnesium Sulfate. at no point does it turn "gray and ashy", as it's said it would. instead it slightly yellows around the edges of the salt pile, the rest turns super white, and it all hardens to a solid sheet which i break apart in large chunks. Same result at 450 degrees for 2 hours.

so my questions are:
why is it turning yellow? is the yellowing a bad thing? should i fish and toss out the yellowed salt? am i doing something wrong? i feel like i am because i can't find any mention of this in the nexus. is it possible that some brands of epsom salt has additives or impurities that are not listed on the label?

what do i do with the chunks? do i mash them down to a powder? i didn't think the end result of the drying meant the epsom salt would no longer be in chunky salt crystal form as it began, but instead it all "melts" together. if i grind it down to a fine powder, would a fine powder consistency be appropriate for use in drying out solvents. it seems like it would be hard to filter out?

Youre wrong, polyethene (or polyethylene) when burned does not only convert into water and carbon dioxide. You should be well aware that the combustion of ANY product generates several combustion by-products (such as toxic polycyclic aromatic compounds present in the combustion of PE). Dont think for a moment that plastic is anything special and with a benign combustion, this makes no sense, on the contrary it may be worse in many cases.

Again, you are not considering the influence you irresponsible posts can have on others. Its not being truthfull, its being reckless and not thinking about what you're doing. And im sorry, but if you dont see whats wrong with smoking plastic, you really have no place here.

I never used epsom salt so maybe someone else with more experience can answer you better but, out of plain logic (and having dried solvents with other material appart from epsom salt), here's what I think: Do grind it down to a powder, as it will have more surface area exposed to the solvent and therefore be more appropriate for trapping any water present. As for filtering, it shouldnt be a problem because you shouldnt need to filter it all.. You will shake/mix the solvent, the epsom salt will trap the water, and you let it stand. It will all fall to the bottom. So just let it stand for a while, and decant away your solvent from the bottom layer of epsom salt. You can filter it in any case just to make sure no floating epsom salt comes across, but since this will only be a small amount, it definitely wont be difficult to filter.

hope it helps

Some people just arent that well off to be wasting bark.

thanks for the reply endlessness. so i imagine if one where to put an excess of magnesium sulfate in a solvent, the "dry" excess would drop out of the solution as well? Also, what do you use to dry your solvents? i would prefer to use a chunky, granular but porous dessicant, i wonder if that exist.

btw, would you mind if i quoted you in the thread i started in the nursery regarding these questions?