After reading dozens of threads for hours and melting my brain away in front of the computer, I would like to ask a question that I couldn't find the answer to in all of the information I read.

When preparing Cebil seeds, what would the effects be like if one omitted the step of calcium hydroxide or sodium bicarbonate? What if the method simply involved toasting the seeds and smoking them? I'm sure this wouldn't end well, but I'd like to know if I'm wrong...

Also, is it possible to smoke the end product of the normal Cebil preparation instead of insufflating it?

Thanks for your help guys

you will most likely just feel like you are dying if you smoke bufotenine salts..it's very painful...do yourself a favour and dont do it..

You can base them with sodium carb and water..nd yes, you can smoke the snuff.

I once sublingually tested some de-shelled cebil without freebasing and felt some mild pleasant effects. I would not test it without freebasing via any other route.

Also, make sure you use the seeds when they're fresh. I saved some for a month or perhaps two and the experience was unpleasant (mild headache and nausea) without any of the euphoria I'd noticed in the seeds when I first bought them.

I read about the dehydrobufotenine too. It's still inconclusive, but leaves me curious. Since HBWR seeds originally have LSH in them, and it then degrades into LSA, could Cebil seeds originally have dehydrobufotenine in them, and it degrade into bufotenine? I doubt it, because it'd be completely changing the structure of the molecule, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

Either way, it makes it seem like fresh seeds don't make you feel like you're dying if they're used without preparation, just like HBWR. I get the vibe that the fresh seeds have the original pure entheogen in them that eventually degrades into a bunch of toxins. Is that true?

Thanks for your help

I've always used calcium hydroxide and smoked the yopo snuff. I've heard it doesn't work without the preparation.