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Non toxic food safe extraction of mescaline using d-limonene (orange oil) Options
 
Buster
#981 Posted : 5/13/2010 3:11:14 PM

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and if there is no electric one to hand .then this is very effective also
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#982 Posted : 5/13/2010 4:33:37 PM

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Electric one isn't big deal, ilpt had mechanical more sophisticated then brother above displayed, but it cost him too much effort and time. Electric one costed him 500 intergalactic dollars which is around 5 british pounds. The mechanical one were more expensive and he got him only because he was affraid off sparks. This isn't a big deal as limo isn't ether
As a kemist I never met ILPT in physical form and never talk to him. He share his wisdom, trough my mind, telepathicly only. Please don`t prosecute me, for his possible illegal activities. He is bonkers about chemistry and doesn`t even exist in this primitive reality !!!
 
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#983 Posted : 5/14/2010 2:45:56 AM
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SWIM added and decanted some MEK to his sticky acetate and now it's "drying" under a fan, but it's a super thin layer stuck to the bottom of the glass jar. He's wondering if it will become more unstuck and movable? He's afraid that its just stuck to the bottom.

edit: Nevermind, SWIM mixed some OJ with the washed mescaline and all was well Razz
 
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#984 Posted : 5/16/2010 12:57:55 AM
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SWIM tells me that the product was fairly active at 200mg, and felt very clean. Mission success Smile Excellent tek.

He's since tried using cactus powder from both Flowing Visions and River's Source, and found the FV powder to contain almost twice as much magic by weight, and substantially less of that other brown stuff that SWIM doesn't want.
 
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#985 Posted : 5/16/2010 1:45:52 AM
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Purification of Mescaline Acetate

To clean mescaline acetate, dissolve 200 mg of impure sticky amber mescaline acetate in 2 ml of cold MEK. Smash the pure mescaline finely in the MEK. You want the mescaline acetate to form a fine powder at the bottom. Wait for a while until the mescaline acetate powder sinks to the bottom and simply decant the MEK slowly, being careful not to disturb the mescaline acetate. After one cleaning, the mescaline acetate will still be somewhat amber or tan in color. Repeat with 2 ml more cold MEK. After a second wash and decant, dry the mescaline acetate with a fan. After all the smell of the MEK is gone, you're left with off-white nearly pure mescaline acetate.

The impurities removed by the MEK in some cases can be as much as 60% of the alkaloids extracted. The impurities tend to be much less for Peruvian Torch, and very high for Achuma and some varieties of San Pedro.

The amber impurities in the MEK can then be evaporated and used separately. They are typically very sticky and will not form a dry powder even after the MEK is completely evaporated. There are at least two active alkaloids present if the cactus used was San Pedro or Achuma. They are psychoactive, but very much unlike mescaline. San Pedro's impurities tend to be more sedating, similar to the effects of harmaline. Both San Pedro and Achuma have an impurity present that seems to have some MAOI activity which can be used to greatly enhance the effects of morning glory seeds, HWBR seeds, and ololiuqui seeds.

Pure mescaline acetate is a white free flowing powder with a slightly waxy texture very similar to freebase DMT. You'll find that it's much easier to manage after purifying it, being not nearly as waxy, and no longer sticky.

After purification, the experience is a much finer clearer experience far more resembling the effects of LSD, especially when taken with coffee. It is to some, far superior to the effects had from the full spectrum of cactus alkaloids.

NOTE: for the tech to remain food grade, USP or FCC grade MEK must be used. If technical grade or ACS grade is used, it's no longer food grade.


Are the impurities from Torch then not usable or worth evaporating?

SWIM put about 650mg mescaline vinegar acetate with ~6ml MEK, after the 2nd wash it seems that there is hardly anything remaining on the glass surface.

A little amount of the sticky couldn't be crushed/wouldn't dissolve, other than that it doesn't look like any movable product or powder.

SWIM used little baby food jars, and it seems like what he can scrape up and use right now is just the brownish sticky that wouldn't dissolve all the way in the MEK.



(Here's his 660mg sticky vinegar acetate he started out with)


The previous vinegar acetate mesc pull SWIM did (same Torch) and washed with MEK, the same thing happened after the 2nd wash - it kind of just sticks to the bottom and doesn't

even look like there is hardly anything there.

How is SWIM to use this? It's only been about an hour but he can't notice any MEK smell, but kind of still smells vinegary..should it be consumable?

Also since it seems that SWIM won't be able to collect this mescaline properly, last time he mixed OJ in this jar, and did his best to mix it into that and consume.

SWIY's thinks this is his best bet?


One last purification question SWIM has is that the MEK in his town is "KleanStrip", however he

is unable to find what Grade it is, a search on the label and website PDF doesn't have "usp, fcc, acs," or "technical" written anywhere.. SWIM's just curious what Grade MEK he has although it may not matter much at this point.


 
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#986 Posted : 5/16/2010 1:51:14 AM
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Most reports indicate that Torch has a much high ratio of mescaline:other alkaloids, so MEK cleanup will perhaps show less profound results.

What may be the major downside to m-acetate is that is absorbs moisture from the air, making it a pain to work with. The 'orange juice tek' you used previously may be the way to go.
 
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#987 Posted : 5/22/2010 11:53:57 PM
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Are the Torch impurities left after a MEK wash disposable? It's been about a week and I think the MEK has completely evaporated, SWIM's wondering if the impurities left would not be pleasant enough to try from Torch, or completely disposable.


edit: SWIM has 1 last problem he's encountered with this tek recently (his own mistake). He added probably 50-100ml more limonene than the amount called for, as he felt the cactus was too clumpy (it's probably supposed to be this way but felt wrong compared to his limo spice xtraction), so now it's kind of goopy. It's SWIMs fault for comparing the two like that, however he is now paranoid that this extra limonene is absorbing potential mescaline that he won't be able to get out - like it's just trapped in the cactus (french press goes right through now). Is it all in his head, or is the extra limonene no harm in this case?
 
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#988 Posted : 5/24/2010 12:21:02 AM

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I havent done ron's tek but from chemical logic, I cant see why adding a bit more limo would be any problem. The alkaloids will be spread equally inside the limonene. So lets say if you for example added 200ml limo and you were able to get out 150ml limonene, the rest being trapped in the cactus (if I understand what you are saying), then in this case 25% of your alkaloids from that pull will still be there in that trapped limo. But then you make another pull and this gets again spread out between all the limo.

So after all the pulls, the amount of alkaloids left behind should be minimal ( lets say that, as a guess/example, the first pull 50% of the total alks in the cactus come out, the second pull 30%, third pull 10%, fourth pull 5%. So if you make 4 pulls and 25% of limo is trapped in the cactus, you are only gonna be losing 25% of the 5% total alks, so just over 1%, which is not much....

I hope im not making this even more confusing, lol Smile
 
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#989 Posted : 5/24/2010 2:07:39 AM

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What I would please like to know-- a query to the knowledgeable ones-- is, might there be any issues concerning reusing the Limonene three times instead of using 900ml. This would be a nice way to conserve on Limonene, and in addition, a nice way to just use a 500 instead of a 1000ml separatory funnel.
 
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#990 Posted : 5/24/2010 2:31:05 AM

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I reuse the same limonene sometimes. It just takes more pulls to get all the goods out and it will probably have a little more residue attached to the final product. But that's all good for me Smile
 
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#991 Posted : 5/24/2010 2:50:09 AM

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Residue don't bother me either-- not that SWIM, or so and so, has tried pure Mescaline.
However, the measly 200 at most of residue (I call it), that came from some obviously bad cactus from some dude in Arizona through ebay (you know who you are), was an amazingly productive day at the homestead, all regular redundant burnt-out patterns on the back-burner.
Laundry was done etc...
Bed might haver even been made...

P.S. IT wasn't "bad" per-say-- just weak, or let's say: Lacking an abundance of inner strength...

Of course this was, as the result of, 69's suggestion of some Coffee.

Pleasant enough taste them alkaloids.
What was left at the bottom of the cup was surprisingly bitter/sweet...

Point being, I don't at present-- despite reference to clean pure Mescaline's superiority with regard to one or more of the three primary Cactus' varieties that we are generally associated with-- feel the need to go any further.

This is, especially because, my current involvement in this community is honestly completely based upon the so-called "non toxic" and "food grade" variations that have been at the forefront of the Alkaloid extraction movement for-personal-use that I have been watching evolve.

Anything Lime, Limonene, and Vinegar is alright by me!




 
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Awesome explanation endlessness Smile, very helpful and makes sense, thanks.
 
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WARNING !!! DO NOT USE ELECTRIC MIXER !!!

It could led to explosion in hotter places. Most of his extraction with electric mixer ILPT done in cold enviroment but at higher temperatures limonene evaporate more and creating explosive vapour mixtures with air .

Material Safety Data Sheet
DLimonene MSDS
Section 1: Chemical Product and Company Identification
Product Name: DLimonene
Catalog Codes: SLL1933
CAS#: 5989-27-5
RTECS: GW6360000
TSCA: TSCA 8(b) inventory: DLimonene
CI#: Not applicable.
Synonym: optical isomer of Dipentene; D-(+)-Limonene;
Carvene; (+)-4-Isopropenyl-1-methylcyclohexene; (+)- RLimonene;
(R)-1-Methyl-4-(1-methylethyenyl)cyclohexene
Chemical Name: Cyclohexene, 1-methyl-4-(1-
methylethenyl)-
Chemical Formula: C10H16
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Section 2: Composition and Information on Ingredients
Composition:
Name CAS # % by Weight
{D}Limonene 5989-27-5 100
Toxicological Data on Ingredients: DLimonene: ORAL (LD50): Acute: 4400 mg/kg [Rat]. 5600 mg/kg [Mouse]. DERMAL
(LD50): Acute: >5000 mg/kg [Rabbit].
Section 3: Hazards Identification
Potential Acute Health Effects:
Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant, sensitizer), of eye contact (irritant), of inhalation (lung irritant). Slightly hazardous in
case of skin contact (permeator), of ingestion.
Potential Chronic Health Effects:
CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: 3 (Not classifiable for human.) by IARC. MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. TERATOGENIC
EFFECTS: Not available. DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Not available. Repeated or prolonged exposure is not known to
aggravate medical condition.
Section 4: First Aid Measures
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Eye Contact:
Check for and remove any contact lenses. Immediately flush eyes with running water for at least 15 minutes, keeping eyelids
open. Get medical attention.
Skin Contact:
In case of contact, immediately flush skin with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes while removing contaminated clothing
and shoes. Cover the irritated skin with an emollient. Wash clothing before reuse. Thoroughly clean shoes before reuse. Get
medical attention.
Serious Skin Contact:
Wash with a disinfectant soap and cover the contaminated skin with an anti-bacterial cream. Seek medical attention.
Inhalation:
If inhaled, remove to fresh air. If not breathing, give artificial respiration. If breathing is difficult, give oxygen. Get medical
attention.
Serious Inhalation:
Evacuate the victim to a safe area as soon as possible. Loosen tight clothing such as a collar, tie, belt or waistband. If
breathing is difficult, administer oxygen. If the victim is not breathing, perform mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. Seek medical
attention.
Ingestion:
Do NOT induce vomiting unless directed to do so by medical personnel. Never give anything by mouth to an unconscious
person. Loosen tight clothing such as a collar, tie, belt or waistband. Get medical attention if symptoms appear.
Serious Ingestion: Not available.
Section 5: Fire and Explosion Data
Flammability of the Product: Flammable.
Auto-Ignition Temperature: Not available.
Flash Points: CLOSED CUP: 45°C (113°F). OPEN CUP: 53°C (127.4°F).
Flammable Limits: LOWER: 0.7% UPPER: 6.1%
Products of Combustion: These products are carbon oxides (CO, CO2).
Fire Hazards in Presence of Various Substances: Flammable in presence of open flames and sparks, of heat.
Explosion Hazards in Presence of Various Substances:
Risks of explosion of the product in presence of mechanical impact: Not available. Risks of explosion of the product in
presence of static discharge: Not available.
Fire Fighting Media and Instructions:
Flammable liquid, insoluble in water. SMALL FIRE: Use DRY chemical powder. LARGE FIRE: Use water spray or fog. Cool
containing vessels with water jet in order to prevent pressure build-up, autoignition or explosion.
Special Remarks on Fire Hazards: When heated to decomposition it emits acrid smoke and irritating fumes.
Special Remarks on Explosion Hazards: Not available.
Section 6: Accidental Release Measures
Small Spill: Absorb with an inert material and put the spilled material in an appropriate waste disposal.
Large Spill:
Flammable liquid, insoluble in water. Keep away from heat. Keep away from sources of ignition. Stop leak if without risk.
Absorb with DRY earth, sand or other non-combustible material. Do not get water inside container. Do not touch spilled
material. Prevent entry into sewers, basements or confined areas; dike if needed. Call for assistance on disposal. Be careful
that the product is not present at a concentration level above TLV. Check TLV on the MSDS and with local authorities.
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Section 7: Handling and Storage
Precautions:
Keep away from heat. Keep away from sources of ignition. Ground all equipment containing material. Do not ingest. Do not
breathe gas/fumes/ vapor/spray. Avoid contact with eyes. Wear suitable protective clothing. If ingested, seek medical advice
immediately and show the container or the label. Keep away from incompatibles such as oxidizing agents.
Storage:
Store in a segregated and approved area. Keep container in a cool, well-ventilated area. Keep container tightly closed and
sealed until ready for use. Avoid all possible sources of ignition (spark or flame).
Section 8: Exposure Controls/Personal Protection
Engineering Controls:
Provide exhaust ventilation or other engineering controls to keep the airborne concentrations of vapors below their respective
threshold limit value. Ensure that eyewash stations and safety showers are proximal to the work-station location.
Personal Protection: Splash goggles. Lab coat. Gloves (impervious).
Personal Protection in Case of a Large Spill:
Splash goggles. Full suit. Boots. Gloves. Suggested protective clothing might not be sufficient; consult a specialist BEFORE
handling this product.
Exposure Limits:
TWA: 30 from AIHA TWA: 165.5 (mg/m3) from AIHA Consult local authorities for acceptable exposure limits.
Section 9: Physical and Chemical Properties
Physical state and appearance: Liquid.
Odor: Citrus
Taste: Citrus
Molecular Weight: 136.23 g/mole
Color: Clear. almost Colorless.
pH (1% soln/water): Not applicable.
Boiling Point: 175°C (347°F) - 176 C
Melting Point: -40°C (-40°F)
Critical Temperature: Not available.
Specific Gravity: 0.8402 (Water = 1)
Vapor Pressure: 0.2 kPa (@ 20°C)
Vapor Density: 4.7 (Air = 1)
Volatility: Not available.
Odor Threshold: Not available.
Water/Oil Dist. Coeff.: Not available.
Ionicity (in Water): Not available.
Dispersion Properties: See solubility in water, diethyl ether.
Solubility:
Easily soluble in diethyl ether. Insoluble in cold water, hot water. Soluble in all proportions in alcohol.
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Section 10: Stability and Reactivity Data
Stability: The product is stable.
Instability Temperature: Not available.
Conditions of Instability: Heat, ignition sources (flame, sparks), prolonged exposure to air, incompatible materials
Incompatibility with various substances: Reactive with oxidizing agents.
Corrosivity: Not considered to be corrosive for metals and glass.
Special Remarks on Reactivity:
Air sensitive. Oxidizes to a film when exposed to air. Reacts with a combination of iodine tetrafluoride and tetrafluoroethylene.
Limonene reacts with dry hydrogen chloride or hydrogen bromide to form monohalides
Special Remarks on Corrosivity: Not available.
Polymerization: Will not occur.
Section 11: Toxicological Information
Routes of Entry: Absorbed through skin. Eye contact. Inhalation. Ingestion.
Toxicity to Animals:
Acute oral toxicity (LD50): 4400 mg/kg [Rat]. Acute dermal toxicity (LD50): >5000 mg/kg [Rabbit].
Chronic Effects on Humans: CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: 3 (Not classifiable for human.) by IARC.
Other Toxic Effects on Humans:
Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant, sensitizer), of inhalation (lung irritant). Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact
(permeator), of ingestion.
Special Remarks on Toxicity to Animals: Not available.
Special Remarks on Chronic Effects on Humans: May cause adverse reproductive effects and birth defects (teratogenic)
Special Remarks on other Toxic Effects on Humans:
Acute Potential Health Effects: Skin: Causes skin irritation. It can be absorbed through intact skin. However, it is generally
regarded to have low toxicity by dermal route. Eyes: Causes eye irritation. Inhalation: Aspiration of large doses may produce
pulmonary edema and chemical pneumonitis. May cause dizziness and suffocation. No nasal or pharyngeal irritation has
been reported. Ingestion: It is generally regarded to have low toxicity by oral route. It may produce burning pain in the mouth
and throat, abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. There may an odor of terpenes in the vomitus or breath. It may
affect behavior/central nervous and peripheral nervous system. Central nervous system effects may include excitememt,
somnolence, delirium, ataxia, convulsions, and stupor while peripheral system effects may include spastic paralysis. It may
affect respiration (respiratory depression, choking, coughing, dyspnea, cyanosis). Other symptoms may include cyanosis,
fever, and tachycardia. Systemic absorption of large doses may produce pulmonary edema and chemical pneumonitis. The
urine may smell like violets. Chronic Potential Health Effects: Ingestion: Prolonged or repeated ingestion may produce nausea,
lowered blood sugar and cholesterol, and kidney damage (hematuria, albuminuria, tubular necrosis), and may also affect the
liver. Skin: It may be a weak sensitizer and responsible for some rare allergic responses (dermatitis)
Section 12: Ecological Information
Ecotoxicity: Not available.
BOD5 and COD: Not available.
Products of Biodegradation:
Possibly hazardous short term degradation products are not likely. However, long term degradation products may arise.
Toxicity of the Products of Biodegradation: The product itself and its products of degradation are not toxic.
Special Remarks on the Products of Biodegradation: Not available.
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Section 13: Disposal Considerations
Waste Disposal:
Waste must be disposed of in accordance with federal, state and local environmental control regulations.
Section 14: Transport Information
DOT Classification: CLASS 3: Flammable liquid.
Identification: : Dipentene UNNA: 2052 PG: III
Special Provisions for Transport: Marine pollutant
Section 15: Other Regulatory Information
Federal and State Regulations: TSCA 8(b) inventory: DLimonene
Other Regulations: OSHA: Hazardous by definition of Hazard Communication Standard (29 CFR 1910.1200).
Other Classifications:
WHMIS (Canada):
CLASS B-3: Combustible liquid with a flash point between 37.8°C (100°F) and 93.3°C (200°F).
DSCL (EEC):
R10- Flammable. R38- Irritating to skin. R43- May cause sensitization by skin contact. R50/53- Very toxic to aquatic
organisms, may cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment. S24- Avoid contact with skin. S37- Wear suitable
gloves. S60- This material and its container must be disposed of as hazardous waste. S61- Avoid release to the environment.
Refer to special instructions/Safety data sheets.
HMIS (U.S.A.):
Health Hazard: 2
Fire Hazard: 2
Reactivity: 0
Personal Protection: h
National Fire Protection Association (U.S.A.):
Health: 2
Flammability: 2
Reactivity: 0
Specific hazard:
Protective Equipment:
Gloves. Lab coat. Vapor respirator. Be sure to use an approved/certified respirator or equivalent. Wear appropriate respirator
when ventilation is inadequate. Splash goggles.
Section 16: Other Information
References: Not available.
Other Special Considerations: Not available.
Created: 10/09/2005 05:58 PM
Last Updated: 11/06/2008 12:00 PM
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D-LIMONENE ICSC: 0918
Date of Peer Review: April 2005

Carvene
(R)-4-Isopropenyl-1-methylcyclohexene
(+)-Limonene
CAS # 5989-27-5 C10H16
RTECS # GW6360000 Molecular mass: 136.23
UN # see Notes
EC Index # 601-029-00-7
TYPES OF HAZARD / EXPOSURE ACUTE HAZARDS / SYMPTOMS PREVENTION FIRST AID / FIRE FIGHTING
FIRE Flammable.
NO open flames, NO sparks, and NO smoking.
Powder, alcohol-resistant foam, water spray, carbon dioxide.
EXPLOSION Above 48°C explosive vapour/air mixtures may be formed.
Above 48°C use a closed system, ventilation, and explosion-proof electrical equipment.

In case of fire: keep drums, etc., cool by spraying with water.
EXPOSURE
STRICT HYGIENE!

Inhalation
Ventilation.
Fresh air, rest.
Skin Redness. Pain.
Protective gloves. Protective clothing.
Remove contaminated clothes. Rinse and then wash skin with water and soap.
Eyes Redness.
Safety spectacles.
First rinse with plenty of water for several minutes (remove contact lenses if easily possible), then take to a doctor.
Ingestion
Do not eat, drink, or smoke during work.
Rinse mouth.
SPILLAGE DISPOSAL PACKAGING & LABELLING
Personal protection: P1 filter respirator for inert particles. Do NOT let this chemical enter the environment. Collect leaking and spilled liquid in sealable containers as far as possible. Absorb remaining liquid in sand or inert absorbent and remove to safe place.
EU Classification
Symbol: Xi, N
R: 10-38-43-50/53
S: (2-)-24-37-60-61
UN Classification

EMERGENCY RESPONSE STORAGE

Fireproof. Separated from strong oxidants. Store in an area without drain or sewer access.
IPCS

SEE IMPORTANT INFORMATION ON BACK
D-LIMONENE ICSC: 0918
IMPORTANT DATA
PHYSICAL STATE; APPEARANCE:
COLOURLESS LIQUID, WITH CHARACTERISTIC ODOUR.

CHEMICAL DANGERS:
Reacts violently with a mixture of iodine pentafluoride and tetrafluoroethylene, causing fire and explosion hazard. Reacts with oxidants.

OCCUPATIONAL EXPOSURE LIMITS:
TLV not established.
MAK: 20 ppm, 110 mg/m³; sensitization of skin (Sh); Peak limitation category: II(2); Pregnancy risk group: C; (DFG 2005).
INHALATION RISK:
No indication can be given about the rate in which a harmful concentration in the air is reached on evaporation of this substance at 20°C.

EFFECTS OF SHORT-TERM EXPOSURE:
The substance is irritating to the skin and is mildly irritating to the eyes.

EFFECTS OF LONG-TERM OR REPEATED EXPOSURE:
Repeated or prolonged contact may cause skin sensitization (see Notes).
PHYSICAL PROPERTIES
Boiling point: 178°C
Melting point: -74°C
Relative density (water = 1): 0.84
Solubility in water: at 25 °C very poor
Vapour pressure, kPa at 20°C: 0.19
Relative vapour density (air = 1): 4.7
Flash point: 48°C c.c.
Auto-ignition temperature: 237°C
Octanol/water partition coefficient as log Pow: 4.2
ENVIRONMENTAL DATA
The substance is very toxic to aquatic organisms. Bioaccumulation of this chemical may occur in fish.
As a kemist I never met ILPT in physical form and never talk to him. He share his wisdom, trough my mind, telepathicly only. Please don`t prosecute me, for his possible illegal activities. He is bonkers about chemistry and doesn`t even exist in this primitive reality !!!
 
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#994 Posted : 8/15/2010 10:15:58 AM

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damn looking at this 50 page long thread makes me dizzy. i never posted here, so just wanna let you know that this is a super awesome tek ron; you're a genius and i salute you!
69ron wrote:
1 gallon (3785 ml) of d-limonene costs about $30. That's enough to perform 4 separate extractions of 100 grams each. So the cost of extracting 100 grams is about $7.50 worth of d-limonene.

ron, can u tell me where u get your limo from? the best and only place i know is greenterpene, but its too expensive; 1 gallon=52$ too much shipping Sad

Can you also tell me which is the best alternative solvent for this extraction if i cant find limo. I don't care if its food grade or not. Does Toluene work just as well, or no? Xylene? Would i lose or get a lower yield with either?

Your help is very much appreciated Ron!! if anyone else can provide they're input, that would also greatly help. Thank you very very muchVery happy
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#995 Posted : 8/15/2010 11:06:50 PM

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In addition to my above question (^^), can someone also tell me, if i were to use Toluene instead, what are the chances that its traces will remain in the final product? (i don't plan to do a wash). How harmful can these traces really be for the body?
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Phantastica wrote:
damn looking at this 50 page long thread makes me dizzy. i never posted here, so just wanna let you know that this is a super awesome tek ron; you're a genius and i salute you!


Thanks for the kind words. I often get accused of being a d-limonene manufacturer from time to time because of this tech. The rumors are not true. SWIM just loves non-toxic techs.

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1 gallon (3785 ml) of d-limonene costs about $30. That's enough to perform 4 separate extractions of 100 grams each. So the cost of extracting 100 grams is about $7.50 worth of d-limonene.

ron, can u tell me where u get your limo from? the best and only place i know is greenterpene, but its too expensive; 1 gallon=52$ too much shipping Sad


SWIM gets it from www.greenterpene.com. That's a great place to get it from. SWIM is a happy customer of theirs. The price of d-limonene is higher than a lot of solvents, but you can redistill it and reuse it. It's easily redistilled by steam distillation. If you have the ability to steam distill it then 1 gallon can last you many years.

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Can you also tell me which is the best alternative solvent for this extraction if i cant find limo. I don't care if its food grade or not. Does Toluene work just as well, or no? Xylene? Would i lose or get a lower yield with either?

Your help is very much appreciated Ron!! if anyone else can provide they're input, that would also greatly help. Thank you very very muchVery happy


Xylene or toluene will work almost as well. Neither are as good, but they both work. A yield decrease of something like 10% will be seen. Don't use heptane, naphtha, or any other highly non-polar solvent.
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#997 Posted : 8/16/2010 12:34:07 AM

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thank you very much ron for your thorough replyVery happy i do plan on buying a gallon of limo in the future when i can afford it, but right now i'm just gonna buy some Toluene. Do you think if i was to pull with Toluene 4 times, instead of the minimum of 2 like it says in your tek, i could avoid any yield loss? Either way tho..10% loss doesn't seem all that bad..

Can you also answer my second question:
Phantastica wrote:
can someone also tell me, if i were to use Toluene instead, what are the chances that its traces will remain in the final product? (i don't plan to do a wash). How harmful can these traces really be for the body?

I would assume that almost no traces would be left in the final product, since all the Toluene will evaporate from the final product, when the vinegar is being heated/evaporated in the oven..right? So to me, it appears that chances are very slim that any toluene traces would end up in the final product, but would like to know your expert opinion. Would i be risking my health in any way? I already mentioned that i won't be doing any kind of wash on my mesc acetate...so yea..

Thanks again for your help and time ron, you rock!!Very happy
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Phantastica wrote:
thank you very much ron for your thorough replyVery happy i do plan on buying a gallon of limo in the future when i can afford it, but right now i'm just gonna buy some Toluene. Do you think if i was to pull with Toluene 4 times, instead of the minimum of 2 like it says in your tek, i could avoid any yield loss? Either way tho..10% loss doesn't seem all that bad..


Another pull works just fine. There's no real reason to use d-limonene except that it's much healthier than most other solvents.

This is the first tech ever published that used d-limonene for mescaline extraction. I am actually the first person to ever publish that mescaline is soluble in d-limonene. SWIM did a lot of solubility research on mescaline a while back and published a long list of things it's soluble in. It's posted somewhere on this forum. This tech was actually based on SWIM's old xylene tech, and then he switched to using d-limonene once he found out that freebase mescaline was soluble in it.

Phantastica wrote:
Can you also answer my second question:
Phantastica wrote:
can someone also tell me, if i were to use Toluene instead, what are the chances that its traces will remain in the final product? (i don't plan to do a wash). How harmful can these traces really be for the body?

I would assume that almost no traces would be left in the final product, since all the Toluene will evaporate from the final product, when the vinegar is being heated/evaporated in the oven..right? So to me, it appears that chances are very slim that any toluene traces would end up in the final product, but would like to know your expert opinion. Would i be risking my health in any way? I already mentioned that i won't be doing any kind of wash on my mesc acetate...so yea..

Thanks again for your help and time ron, you rock!!Very happy


Evaporating in vinegar is not going to easily get rid of the toluene. There will be traces of the toluene present in it and SWIM would be able to taste it. The best way to get rid of the toluene is to dissolve the end product in alcohol, IPA, or acetone, and then evaporate it again.
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69ron wrote:
Another pull works just fine. There's no real reason to use d-limonene except that it's much healthier than most other solvents.

This is the first tech ever published that used d-limonene for mescaline extraction. I am actually the first person to ever publish that mescaline is soluble in d-limonene. SWIM did a lot of solubility research on mescaline a while back and published a long list of things it's soluble in. It's posted somewhere on this forum. This tech was actually based on SWIM's old xylene tech, and then he switched to using d-limonene once he found out that freebase mescaline was soluble in it.

damn ron i didn't know you also found out about mescaline's solubility in limo..mad props bro. I recently read that list of mescaline's solubility in various solvents, etc..it's here in the wiki.

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Evaporating in vinegar is not going to easily get rid of the toluene. There will be traces of the toluene present in it and SWIM would be able to taste it. The best way to get rid of the toluene is to dissolve the end product in alcohol, IPA, or acetone, and then evaporate it again.

ok i see; i'll just dissolve in IPA and do it that way then. I don't understand how IPA or acetone would help get rid of the toluene tho. The traces of toluene would be so low that it would end up in the IPA as well. Is it that when IPA is evaporated, the toluene in it would have a larger surface area to evaporate from?
Also, the IPA wash would only dissolve the mescaline. this would mean that there will be some non-soluble particulates settled on the bottom from mescaline acetate. Could SWIM consume these non-soluble particulates, because he remembers from your post that you said that one of these alkaloids is psychoactive (i will be performing my extraction on Torch...idk if that matters)..
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69ron wrote:
SWIM gets it from www.greenterpene.com. That's a great place to get it from. SWIM is a happy customer of theirs. The price of d-limonene is higher than a lot of solvents, but you can redistill it and reuse it. It's easily redistilled by steam distillation. If you have the ability to steam distill it then 1 gallon can last you many years.


Has anyone come up with a method for recovering the limo that seems to be absorbed by the cactus mix in this tek? Many people seem to report 'losses' upwards of 1/3 on the first pull.

Perhaps adding water after the last pull would cause the trapped limonene to just rise to the top for easy recovery.
 
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