I don't think Calcium-Hydroxide is very soluble in water, so it should be more of a paste. But I can see, that it could be a problem doing the tek.

I don't see the dangers as being so different from Calcium-Hydroxide. Except from the heat being developed, when combining with water.

Wiki says this:

Solubility in water 0.189 g/100 mL (0 °C)
0.173 g/100 mL (20 °C)

So yes, you're right. I would try and mix until a paste and then dry the product, so you can be most precise with your measurements.

If you are comfortable and capable of attempting this, try it out. Just be careful, wear gloves, glasses, yada yada.

I need some help. So, I have done two STB extractions use Mimosa Hostilis, 100% Granulated Lye, and Sunnyside Metal Tinned 100% Naphtha.

Pull one:
got a quart size mason jar and mixed 650ish mL of water and slowly poured in 45g of Lye into it. Directly afterwards I put in 45g of prepowdered Mimosa into it and capped and slowly tried to mix it without any utilities. Let set for about an hour. It was a frickin hot ass day and doing it in my garage. Got out my Naphtha, and put in roughly 45 mL of it into the large mason jar, capped and with both hands on each side, slowly moved it around, with a bit of whirling. Was told to wait till it separated, and within just 30 seconds it seemed to be separated. I am not sure if the DMT stays in the Naphtha, or it falls out afterwards, so I quickly used my tiny ass glass eyedropper walgreens gave me, and with a side profile of the glass, quickly but cleanly sucked out about 85% of the Naphtha into a small mason jar. to get just that, it was about 30 'sucks' with the eye dropper, maybe a bit less. It has a small rubber top, so it doesnt even fill up the whole thing, stupid. But oh well. If I did get any juice in it, I just squirted it back out into the jar, and restarted with another small pull with the eye dropper. Once I got most, I capped up the small mason jar and stuck it in the freezer, this is a pretty damn cold freezer too. Ice cream isnt ROCK hard, but good luck using a plastic ice cream scooper! Hahah. Anyway, did that for another 3 pulls, but in roughly between 35-60 mL of Naphtha into the jar and repeat. Reason why its a bit inaccurate, is the measuring cup goes up to 500 mL, so the smallest one notched is at 100mL, so just eyeballed about half. I cant see why a bit too much or too little Naphtha could be a problem. Should be pulling DMT anyway. I let them sit in the freezer for 2 days, practically 3. The crystals were so tiny on the sides, I mean, just pathetic! BUT! One of them, has some decent sized ones. Quickly, while still cold, dumped Naphtha into a coffee filter, and tried scraping these most awkward shaped small 8oz mason jars with a rubber spatula, the yield was pathetic. Waited for it to dry on the paper, and the crystals werent even big enough to really see any depth. Basically made my coffee filters glitter a bit. Haha. When I dumped the jar of juice, I noticed lye still on the bottom, and chucks of mimosa untouched. Pull one: Fail.


Pull two:
Decided to take my time a bit more. Took my big jar of about 700mL of water, and mixed again, 45g of Lye, this time, I took the time to stir it up, made sure it was all nice and mixed up, then put in 10g increments of Mimosa into the jar, each time, stirring to make sure it was all mixed up until i got to 45g. This time, I shook that mixture a bit, last time, I was scared. I thought it might explode. Haha. But, I was a bit rougher getting it mixed. Wanted to agitate it more. I let that sit for 4 hours this time. Gently shaking it every 30 minutes. Ish. This time, I did 3 normal pulls of Naphtha, but let it sit a bit more. About 3 minutes till it separated. It seemed to separate far before that, BUT! still decided to wait a bit more. I feel like 10 minutes would just be too long. And the last one, I let the Naphtha sit in there overnight. In the morning, I mixed it around a bit, waited for separation, then did a pull. I did NOT toss that jug yet, ill get to that. Again though, when I did the pulls, I immediately capped the small masons and froze them. The next day, I decided I was gonna warm up some Naphtha, I put 100mL into my glass measuring cup, and boiled water on my electric stove, just a small amount, enough to cover where the Naphtha is in height, in the cup. Once it was hot, I turned off the stove, moved the pan, and placed the glass cup into the pot of hot water, let it sit while I took that pot downstairs to my room. Took out my jar, mixed it up a bit. Just a bit. Then poured about half of that Naphtha into the Mason jar, the reason I put 100mL into the cup at first, I was nervous the heat would make it evaporate really quick, and I wouldnt have enough. That big jug of Naphtha was 7 bucks, I can waste a bit without getting too mad at myself. Anyway, poured about half into the mason jar, and moved it around in it. Waited, to separate, Naphtha I pulled was cold again, because the mixture has been in my basement room. But yeah. Kinda thought maybe just warming up the Naphtha was a waste. Which I still think it was. This time, after a few days, 2 of the 4 beginning Mason jars had what seemed to be somewhat a high yield compared to my first. But still not enough. At all. And the last pull I did, produced no yield. :/ This time, I did have some larger crystals, that actually fell off the coffee filter. Still, just not enough. I did however, decide to smoke that little tiny bit, just to see whats up. Used my lightbulb vaporizer, and my lighter, and I definitely got some smoke! And did feel some small minor effects, my heart rate it raise a bit, I felt a small pounding. Colors and my room were very bold, like the comedown of a shroom trip. But very minor, I felt as if maybe there were some blue and purple hues coming from these fluorescent lights. But, probably mostly placebo.

So, I am about to do pull 3.

This time, I am going to warm everything. Use 70g this time, and scale up the lye and water accordingly. Should I wait longer, like 10 minutes for the Naphtha to separate? This time, I am also, instead of putting swiftly into the freezer, wait a while till it evaporates a bit. THEN freeze. And, not use these awkward shaped mason jars. Should I use more or less Naphtha? I feel my problem is heat, and amount of Naphtha. Idk. I cant imagine what I am doing wrong. But how much spice can 50g of Mimosa really give me if done nicely?

Feedback would be very appreciated, as this took a while to type up

Thanks,
Hightower.

Hightower,

I see nothing really wrong with your technique, except maybe a few things.
STB tends to produce a dirtier end product (from my experience), and yields tend to be a bit lower; for you to get nothing is concerning.
I've gotten .6%-.9% yields with STB, and higher with A/B.
Because of a dirtier pull with STB, the DMT will have more places to start crystallizing. This isn't so much as a bad thing, because you can always recrystallize (you've read the FAQ, right?), but it will give you smaller crystals after your first freeze.
A down and dirty STB with no wash or recrystallization at the end is the quickest way to spice. But life rewards those with patience


Enough with my blathering mouth, here is where I think your problem might lie:

Try letting your non-polar solvent (your naptha) stay in your basic solution (the aqueous lye/bark mix) longer. Do not worry about the DMT falling out of the naptha; you are providing a better environment with the naptha and it doesn't want to leave it. While the naptha is in the jar, have a sink full of warm water (not hot, as your solution may create pressure and blow up), and roll it around in there. For every pull, roll the jar around in the water for one minute, let the naptha seperate, and roll again; do this at least 5 or 6 times. This process will ensure your naptha is at it's highest level of DMT solubility.

If you do this and you still are having problems, you might try evaporating your naptha (just put the open container in front of a fan for a couple of hours) a bit before putting it in the freezer. Maybe try to get it down to 1/2 to 2/3 the amount of solvent. This way, the DMT has an easier time crashing out of the solution and forming crystals.

Good luck!

-mandelbrother

Swim decided that it would be easy to do an a/b extraction with 100g of MHRB. that was not the case for swim.
first he hard a hard time finding solovents came a cross some lye and went out looking for Naptha at Lowe's, Wallmart ect. ect. found some Colman grill fluid that had naptha in it seemed that it would work. could not find ph paper so he continued with out it. used a few old glass jars which he still had the lids for. went ok the first time only using 25g of MHRB due to not wanting to ruin all the remaining MHRB. it went as planed although after pulled the fluid was evapped off for a while in a fish bowl with a fan on it. about after half of it remained it was put in the fridge to crystalize. because Swim read the tek off of Erowid.org he had out dated info. and was never at nexus before. the cooled liquid split into three layers which baffled swim. but there was crystals at the bottom. dumped off the top Blue liquid and the poured the rest through a coffee filter and scraped off the Dreaded Spice. it weighed about 25mgs was a pinkish spice he was worried to smoke so set it a side.

latter Swim decided to try it gain giving up on the weird colman grill gas and using a lighter fluid brand rensol posibaly? this time it went better but should have done more acid cooks. he got beautifull white crystals off of a frez percip. the only problem was trying to get them out of the bottom of a jar they stuck to a metal spoon but then problems getting them off the spoon? these things must be magnitised went a lot better thouh for swim

well another thing that i was wondering is that how long can one keep the base fase going lilke ran out of fluid cux store ran out can only get 5fl bottles at a time. could i later do warm pulls with naptha and how would i do that? and could i then uses xylene and get some red spice off of it?

thank you for your time nexus!

electrolunchbox, go to Lowes again, idk if you asked anyone if they had Naphtha, but check by the paint section. Its a paint thinner. I got my Naphtha and Granulated Lye at Menards, which is a local version of Lowes. I really would think they would have it. Just so you know.

thanks buddy do you know where or ho I could find xylene? Or how long I can keep my lye /mimosa marinade in a jar between being able to purchase xylene or naptha. And should I do warm pulls of naptha too get higher yeils? And what is a good way to find d-lime or orange oil? Thanks a lot

What solvent are you using to get >.9% on an A/B? My STBs generally yeild 1.5-2%. Ya its pretty yellow at first but a lot of my friend prefer that. A/Bs usually only net me what you claim you STBs net you. Im intrigued

As alot of the chem guys will tell you, yields depend a lot on whatever non-polar solvent you are using (assuming your extraction technique is sound and your solution is basic enough).
The heavier petroleum ether products will net you more than the lighter, and xylene/limo will net you even more than the heavier PE products.

Here is a great thread with some detailed information from the chem guys. They are really a treat to have on this forum. Look out for their input, because you can always rely on it.

I tried the below tek yesterday and the results were disappointing and I was hoping someone could offer some advice.

The effect was like shrooms but I was up and down in 1 hour. There was some very basic closed eye visuals, lots of colour intensity, a big body/mind buzz for a while, but nothing else interesting to report about really.

I did purge about 10-15 mins after consuming the liquid so maybe I hadn't absorbed enough of it? Or maybe the heat was too high when I was simmering it? I think the first extraction may well have been as my liquid reduced from 250ml to about 30ml maybe indicating the heat was too high and it destroyed a lot of the spice?

15g powdered MHRB
250ml deionised water acidified with white wine vinegar to PH3.5
Simmer for 1 hour
Filter to a separate container.
Return unfiltered MHRB to pot and repeat simmering/filtering another 2 times with fresh 250ml deionised PH3.5 water.
Combine the 3 filtered liquids into 1 glass (decanting the sludge that had got through the filter)

For the MAOI I consumed 300g Moclobemide 45mins prior to consumption of the liquid.

Of course. ye olde dcm. I've been wanting to try that. It only comes as an epoxy thinner around here and I have no distillation setup so I've been putting it off. tell me doesn't it pull the jungle too?

Hello again. Fucked up n feel kinda dumb. Started a STB last night and started a xylene pull. Was going to use the FASA method to get the nn/jungle fumar then fb, so heres what happened.

I siphoned off my first pull, around 150 ml, then dried some acetone. I added the FA to the point of saturation. I started adding it to my pull until it was completely cloudy and started to wait on it to settle.

After a couple of minutes I noticed a see through yellow layer at the bottom. "Oh no!" thouht I, "I must have not dried the acetone enough. Now I have two layers of solvent that have my spice in them!" So what do I do? I pour the whole jar in my evap tray and set it out in the heat! I checked it an hour later and it had gotten clear, ONE clear layer. FUCK! it had already evaped to reveal some xtal formations but the clear solvent told me it still needed more FASA. (dont ask me how i knew that since i havent used this tek before)

When I reaized what I had done, I returned the solution back to my collection jar, redried/saturated some acetone, and finished what I started to do in the first place; this time waiting a little for each 4 or 5 drops to fade before adding more. Eventually no more reaction could be seen and I added more for good measure.

Now I went to my evap tray and, thinking I had evapped to reveal fumarate, I poured in some acetone. Only when I poured it off on a paper towel did I stop to feel/smell the xtal ((which were still stuck to the tray) It was fb! Not only that but all the nn that was there was now soaked into a paper towel! Lesson learned I suppose. Just thought I would share.

Oh and ugh1979, have you tried extracting the MHRB? I tried ayahusca several time with little to no effect, except kneeling at the porcelain alter. I didn't get much outta huasca's until I started extracting and grew the balls to try it pharma-style. Thats what I would do.

Not yet. An extraction will be my next step once I have some cash to get all the necessary equipment and chemicals. The pharmahuasca tek i've tried was obviously a lot cheaper and easier so I tried that first.

I see quite a few potential problems there which explain the low effects. The purging 10 mins later is definitely one of them, but you should be thankful for it because 15g mhrb can be waaaay too strong dosage! Take 5g next time when you get it right. After I have gotten my ass seriously kicked by 9g (and i usually need much higher doses than most people for oral dmt), I know its just not necessary to take this much. But yeah 10 mins purging is way too soon, a lot of it wont have been absorbed.

Where is your mimosa from, btw? If its bad quality mimosa it could be a reason, but if its good mimosa then as I said, please take 5g next time.

The heating will not have destroyed the dmt.

Im sure you mean 300mg moclobemide, not g, yes? The other issue I see is that you have taken the dmt 45mins after the MAOI. I think this is not an effective way, its better to take them closer to each other (or even together, specially in the case of ayahuasca or when both the MAOI and the DMT are dissolved in a solution). I also suggest trying harmalas for MAOI instead of pharmaceutical one. Caapi is perfect for brewing as you did with your mimosa, but otherwise rue works fine. If working with rue I suggest extracting it. Some people already buy them pure, FlowingVisions is one of the possible suppliers for it, though I preffer extracting myself, way cheaper and a more fulfilling process.

By the way, no need to use deionized water, tap water should work fine.

Good luck next time, and tell us how it went

Hello friends.
This will be my first post on this forum.
I'm going to be carrying out '69ron's D-Limonene Mescaline Extraction' within the next week and as I don't want to get it wrong I'll be asking a few questions here.

My first question is would 4% acidic vinegar work with the extraction, I didn't realise it wasn't 5% until I got home, would this cause any problems with the extraction, It's not a problem buying another bottle with 5% acidity it's just abit of a waste!

its perfectly fine, wont make any difference.

Thanks for the quick reply.

Also would it be better to leave the cactus soaking for a day or more, or will it really not make a bit of difference.
I'm still waiting on a couple of things to arrive in the post but thought I could get the cactus soaking already.

Thanks for your reply but my experience today with the tek I used before was great. My MHRB is from ebay and I guess it is really weak as I used 35g today and consumed it all in one. Someone on another board suggested doubling the dose I had last time so I tried that and it worked. Also, i've been told elsewhere that boiling will have destroyed the DMT and that I need to just simmer, which is what I did today, and gave a much better result than last time, although it could well have been due to the increased dose.

I've also read in many places that I should consume the MAOI 45mins in advance rather than at the same time. I don't see why it should make too much difference though as surely the MAOI is long enough lasting to be effective when consumed 45mins in advance, and it makes sure I absorb it before the inevitable purge of the MHRB liquid. I've also read many places that Moclobemide is a great MAOI to use for oral DMT and means that there is a lot less nasty liquid to drink.

I tried the same tek again today using 35g powdered MHRB rather than 15g, and made sure not to boil the 250ml water I used. I acidified the water a little more this time as well just to make sure. I ended up with 200ml liquid after the first pull. I started doing a second pull but messed up and let the water boil while I was on the computer and was left with hardly any water so I just binned it.

I don't think I could have stomached any more than 200ml of the liquid anyway so was happy to just go with what I had from the first pull, even though I would have only probably have got ~70% of the DMT leeched out the MHRB. (Based on what others have said of the first pull).

I had my MAOI 45mins previous as before consuming the liquid, then 15mins after, some bread and butter to help my system absorb the DMT. Shortly after that I purged, but then it all got very very interesting so I must have absorbed enough. I had amazing visuals which peaked for about 20mins with an overall visual trip of about 1 hour. There was one point I thought I wasn't enjoying it anymore due to the lack of any euphoria but it soon ended and everything calmed down a little and started being really funny. Back to baseline within an hour and half.

Attenbourgh's Life In The Undergrowth has been on all day so it was perfect to have on in the background as my hallucinations developed all sorts of organic and nature elements.

I think I might like to try this again during an aMT trip as i'd love to add aMTs euphoric element. Does anyone have any experience of that combination?