SWIM was not sure whether to put this in Suppliers or LSA,LSD,LSH... But it is here anyway

SWIM has tried the Madagascar Strain from Shamanic Extracts and was very satisfied.

SWIM has also tried Morning Glories from Wal mart and Heavenly Products and was very dissapointed.

Thus SWIM knows that there are good and bad seeds.

The problem with the Shamanic Extracts seeds is they are $1 a seed. Since for SWIM it takes 7-12 of these powerful seeds to.... grow a plant
That is quite a bit. Especially seeing all these 500 seeds for $25 and 9.99 for an ounce (~275) while some charge between $.50 and $2.00 a seed.

Alas the questions SWIM is asking you genial folk are:
1. Which supplier would give SWIM the best bag for his buck on HBWR?

2: If SWIM got a non-so-strong-strain would a Cold Water Extraction of the seeds cause a lot more nausea/side effects (for the soil of course) using 20-30 of these not-so potent seeds?
That is compared to 7-12 of the powerful seeds.

THANKS!

FV has a very low price for high quality HBWR seeds. They have two kinds. Get the Hawaiian strain from Hawaii. Those are the strongest ones available. The Ghana ones are great for growing plants, but the Hawaiian ones have the most LSA/LSH in them and are pretty consistently strong.

If you look around at most of the forums, you'll find that most people prefer the Hawaiian strain.

I wouldn’t bother with any HBWR seeds that are not grown in Hawaii. Hawaiian soil is some of the richest soil in the world. SWIM has never had seeds from any other place that were as strong as the Hawaiian strain. That’s why they cost more. You get more LSA for the money. The cheaper seeds from other places are not a good deal. They have much less LSA in them.

I've heard that the hawaiian strain grown in the dominican republic is just as strong no first hand experience though.

I don't know about the Dominican Republic, but for sure the Hawaiian strain is the best. To have strong seeds it's takes good genetics, which the Hawaiian strain has, and good soil, which Hawaii has. Maybe the soil of the Dominican Republic is good enough. SWIM never had those so he can't say. The Hawaiian strain from Hawaii is not a gamble, so I’d recommend those over the ones from the Dominican Republic just because of the overwhelming number of people saying that they are the best. But who knows, the Dominican Republic ones are not popular, so few have used them, but they might be just as good.

As with most ethnobotanicals genetics play a HUGE role, but this is even more true with Argyreia.

Heavenly Products sucks if you ask me.

yeah I don't either,but it's the hawaiian strain grown in the DR people speak very highly of it on edot and other forums.

I've got 50 on the way from BBB. They claim their seeds are wild harvested from Hawaii.

I'll update this post when I find out their potency.

Ok, so this is my first time playing with the seeds since I got them.

I took 9 seeds and scraped the fuzzy skin off so they all looked about like tiny peanuts.
I then boiled 1 cup of filtered water.
While the water was coming to a boil I put the seeds in the Magic Bullet blender till powderized.
I warmed the black ceramic cup but running hot tap water over it.
I then added the seeds to the bottom of the cup and put the now hot but not boiling water in the cup with the seed powder.
I allowed this to seep for a few minutes and then added some peppermint extract.
I put some aluminum foil on the top of the cup and left it to sit in the fridge for a few days now.

2:40 PM - Drank one mouthful of tea and then gargled/swished another mouthful for 2 min.
3:00 PM - Forgot about wanting to do an experience report and drank a 5g caapi brew via THP reduced to about 2 shots.
3:20 PM - Realized he forgot about the hbwr report and updated this post.

I'll still update this as it rides out.

i've only gotten HBWR seeds from Bouncing Bear (the hawaiian strain) and they have kicked my butt several times. cheap too.
extremely potent, but i never had success with removing the nausea from the experience.
i would eat the whole seeds and trip quite hard but also be keeled over with nausea.
one time i ate 20 seeds whole without scraping them or anything and thought i was gonna die from food poisoning, it was that bad.
with 20 seeds it felt like i was on 10 grams of mushrooms plus 2 hits of Acid. FREAKIN' WILDLY INTENSE!!!!
later i tried doing the LSH conversion thing with em:
i soaked 10 ground seeds in lemon water and added the peppermint. on it's own, nothing really happened.
then i smoked some cannabis and i knew for absolute certainty that the LSH conversion worked. no doubt about it.
the only problem is that, without cannabis, my cold water extractions effectively eliminate nausea but also eliminate the trip!!!
i've given up, i was so turned off by feeling like death from the 20 seeds, and feeling like nothing from 10 seeds.
if you can get 'em to work they are magic, but good luck, few have come away impressed...

I too have tried the LSA route albeit not very persistently. I have tried Rivea (hence my name on here), Morning Glory, and HBWR. I have taken all of the above seeds from different vendors at different times and got nothing of merit... I have eaten up to 24 HBWR seeds from one vendor and had some kind of weak kind of dreamy experience. I have experienced no nausea, but I think I have a cast iron stomach. In my past life when I drank alcohol like a fish with my weekday evening social drinking usually consisting at the time of 5 triple shots of Johnnie Walker Black with a Heineken chaser for each. I rarely got nausea even with that concoction and frequency of drinking. Today I fear that it would absolutely kill me.

Anyway, I gave up on LSA containing seeds having spent a couple months eating them or drinking CWE and getting little effect. I switched to DMT extractions rather than mess with something that did not seem to work well for me.