Ive seen this tek done several times over and from what i have gathered during the acid bath just use straight vinegar. It sounds like over kill but i have seen 3% yield on 100g bark using D-Limo as your solvent. Also during the basification stage I have seen 1g Pickling Lime to 1g Bark. Again these measurements may seem like overkill but the crystals ive seen freeze precipitated for a period of 24 hours in a small 4x6 pyrex dish were the most georgus ive seen. Useful tools Ive noticed are a crock pot with a little water in it set to WARM serves as a great heat bath coupled with using a litre mason jar for your mixing vessle. Also the use of a filter is not necissary, pint mason jars are great for decanting into. Just save your excess solvent for future pulls wether on the same batch or a future one. Waste not and you wont go without.Once all your solvent is evaped and/or dried in the freezer all you need is a blade to recover the white funfest

SWIM makes sure to leave the naptha in the freezer for 15+ hours. He doesn't bother using a filter to catch floating crystals since he doesn't have that significant of an amount (and always re-uses the solvent). Has been working like a charm.

So I pretty much switched to a wet tek because I couldn't find any lime but could find lye. I've got a few questions regarding some of the steps in a wet tek.

Do you need to boil the vinegar rootbark mix? When you your pulls do you have to evap off the naptha before crystals form?

I put 50g of MHRB into 200 ml of vinegar and let it sit for a couple hours shaking it now and again then for an hour I let it sit in a heat bath undisturbed. I then poured the red liquid off from the bark mix. I then combined 50g of lye with 250 ml of water and added it to the red liquid and shook it around making sure it was well mixed. Then I heated up 3X 75 ml of naptha and poured it in, I swirled and rolled the jar for a couple minutes then let it sit until it separated (separated extremely quickly) and used a turkey baster to pull off as much as i could from the jar and put all the naptha into one container. left the container at room temp for several hours then popped it into the freezer. Checked it in the morning and still no crystals whatsoever.

So I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong still. Apparently the root bark is good and everything else is good so whats happening?

Well for one you did a acid soak, you need to do an acid boil. Take the bark if you still have it and boil it in 1 litre of water with 2 tablespoons of vinegar for 45 mins to an hour. Then let it sit and cool in the pot to room temp its best to let it sit over night and alloy as much of the crap to settle as possible, then decant into a litre mason jar. In a seperate jar mix some water and 2 tblspoons of lye (bout a cup is fine) add that to the mix. If it turns BLACK youve got enough lye. At this point i would let it sit in a warm water bath for an hour or so and then do 3 or 4 pulls with naptha at 30ml each. Make sure you dont get any of the black liquid in with your pulls. If i were doing this i would rotate 2 diffrent 30ml pulls from the freezer back to the jar. On you final pulls allow the naptha to freeze precip covered with plastic wrap and in the morning decant off the naptha and allow the dish to COMPLETELY evap off. IMO doing this in the freezer is best. Good LUck!

So boiling the vinegar is necissary? Is there a way to avoid that? Maybe just a straight to base tek?

Out of curiosity do you know the chemistry behind needing it to be boiled?

Zeek, q21 tek works like a charm. If you want a good source of lime in canada, send a PM. STB will give you a lot more problems than an A/B tek. It's really straightforward and the yields are amazing.

With A/B you dont need to boil the vinegar. You just add some boiling water to the mix as it says, this is just to heat up the mixture so you have more of the dmt reacting with the acid. You don't need to evap the naphtha, just let it sit in the freezer for a day (or two sometimes). Boiling the vinegar directly is not necessary.

for now I'm going to stick to lye since I already have it.

So as for the above process i used should it work? I let the naptha sit in the freezer (its cold like -30 celsius) for around 12 hours but i literally had no crystals, i should at least have some crystals right? So I decided I'd pull the naptha out and let it evap off a little then put it back in.

hmm very strange. I've read through the whole thread trying to pin-point where things might have gone wrong.
SWIM has done q21 tek twice now, and has gotten pure white yield the very same day as starting the tek. Actually quite surprised, because his yields are around 2%. He believes the extra weight is due to the oily gunk that gets added to the crystals when scraping them up from the dish.

Im just getting sort of frustrated because I don't know what I'm doing wrong. From what I've read I thought that you dont need to boil the vinegar bark mix just add heat to it (which I did), when I added the basified water it turned black (so the pH should be correct), I swirled the heated naptha around for several minutes and put it into a very cold fridge.

What's happening here Dreammethod can testify that the bark is good so I truely am stumped.

hmm, you added basified water?
SWIM just added lime directly into the mix, and quite a generous amount. You need to have a really high pH for the dmt to be basified. Most people say ph should be greater than 11 for the most to be extracted. If you're adding water to your lime, then you're diluting it and you won't have it as basic as it should be. Part of the reason might be that you simply didn't make it basic enough. Just my guess...

no i couldnt get ahold of lime so i used lye (this topic has really evolved into help me make dmt haha seeing how it doesn't really resemble Q21Q21's tek anymore). It turned black too so I'm assuming its the proper pH.

You can't estimate pH by a colour change. It's much more complex than that, the bark mixture turns grey before the pH is even near to what it should be. SWIM has tested this. Trust me, this is not a good indicator of pH.

Either get some pH papers, or add lime in an excessive amount - it's cheap so SWIM isn't worried about losing a bit more if the price to pay is more yield.

If your bark is fine, then the only other reason (that SWIM can think of) is that you're not basifying properly.

well according to the wet tek descriptions I added enough lye to the solution to make it the correct pH. I still have a jar of black liquid handy so I'm thinking I might just heat up the naptha again and swish it around for a longer period of time let it sit for 15 min to seperate and then pull off and stick it in the freezer. The thin layer of Naptha in the jar now is quite yellow is this a good sign?

Well, let us know how it turns out! Keep that naphtha in the freezer for 12-20 hours...
If nothing happens after that, then SWIM suggests starting over from scratch with the q21 tek. Get more lime and make sure to go through it properly, SWIM guarantees that you will get yield this way!

CRYSTALS!!!! Checked this morning on my first two pulls and I got the entire bottom of the dish covered with slight yellow coloured goodies. Still got 2 or 3 more pulls but so far so good. I wouldn't be surprised at all if I got a 1% yield.

One more question besides harshness on the lungs if I don't do anything to purify these crystals will the effects still be the same?

Youll notice maybe a oily bit on the bottom of the dish, thats fine its just DMT Oxides and in my opinion an all around better substance than the pure white. Much more geometric patterning in the CEVs and seems to last a bit longer. So yes the diffrent colors have slightly diffrent effects. But like i said as long as you didnt suck up any black liquid when you did your seperations then you shouldnt have to worry about doing an ammonia wash, ive never actually seen one done. Keep in mind its harsh to smoke anyway BUT i think i found the best thing to smoke it on and that would be green tea leaves from tea bags.

But if you want to get rid of the yellow and just have white redissolve in some room temp naptha, decant off and then recrystalize. You might lose a bit but thats just what happens. Oh and if you still have your bark from the boils save it and continue with a dry tek of your choice but use D-Limo as your solvent and pick up in the q21q21 tek for details. There is usually a 1 - 2% yield of jungle alkaloids still in there, though im not too fond of thier effects, gives a very static electric look and feel to everything.....and my friends in the room all had no faces scary shit lol. Good Luck to ya!

Thanks to everyone who helped me out, couldn't have done it without yea, got my third pull in the freezer and letting my fourth pull soak up all the goodies overnight.

You described exactly what my dish looked like Psilocin Dreams, so I'll hopefully have a trip report ready sometime soon

Your welcome, glad to help!

Glad you got some results Zeekborg! Its very relieving to know it didn't vanish into thin air hey? (or lime that didn't work)

One thing for certain, at first SWIM was a bit frustrated to not be able to access all the forums for help and input, but for a while now it has been clear that there are many who do pay attention and interact here in the nursery. The graduation concept is a good one, as there are so many forums out there that are just all over the place. DMT nexus is like their stable big brother, and negativity seems very rare here indeed.

I cant agree more Dreammethod. I find the concept of the nursery to be fantastic. A place where the new users can post questions/experiences/whatever, without cluttering up the rest of the forum. I was worried as well that when I first posted that I wouldn't get any valid help but I was proved very wrong. In addition to more experienced users commenting I got a lot of great input from users in a similar position to myself.

This is the only forum that I've seen with this graduation concept (although I must admit that I don't frequent a huge number of forums). The community here is fantastic. Polite but opinionated and I think the nursery is a great way to keep the site as a whole in good shape.

I intend to write an introduction essay once I have broken through into hyperspace (had an experience a couple days ago that wasn't a breakthrough but nonetheless awe inspiring) explaining my intent and how I feel I've advanced to the stage of being ready to post in the rest of the forum. In the meantime however I am enjoying reading and posting insightful answers in the nursery.

Anyways once again much thanks to everyone who helped me with my first extraction and sorry if this sort of dragged off topic.