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#21 Posted : 7/23/2010 9:33:57 PM

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Since you can procure the ingredients and manufacture at home...

From what i have understood DMT is easy, effective, cheap, fast. Carefully exploring aya/pharmauasca should be a sure and safe way to go about.

On the other hand, i very much agree with all the other suggestions Very happy




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#22 Posted : 7/23/2010 9:41:50 PM

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#23 Posted : 7/23/2010 10:18:46 PM
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Thanks for all your replies so far. Most people seem to be saying mushrooms, which is what I was actually thinking. Obviously being here on the DMT Nexus, I have a great interest in DMT itself, but am very cautious of such a powerful substance and think I should build myself up to it to make the most of it. I haven't looked too much into mushrooms yet, but I am familiar with the various level definitions.

So to those of you which suggested mushrooms, which level would you suggest going to? I presume the dosages required to experience the various levels will vary according to the individual's physiology and that these levels are more than likely not something than can be accurately 'navigated' to. Again, it's probably down to me and how far into the experience I want to go, but as I've no experience of what any of the side effects feel like, such as breathing walls, colour changing, auditory hallucinations amongst all the other emotional alterations, I am seeking your advice as to how daunting any of the levels' associated side effects are to the newcomer.

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#24 Posted : 7/23/2010 10:53:59 PM

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From my experiences, the trippy effects aren't what tend to be overwhelming or leading to a bad trip so much as the way mushrooms can affect your emotional state. They have the tendency to magnify and distort both thought and emotion, and so if let's say it gets hypothetically uncomfortable, that may lead to a negative emotion which can be magnified, and bring about other negative emotions leading to a down spiral of chaos (a bad trip). Of course it can work the other way as well, and has for me, but even so much as a half an eighth has lead me to both some of the happiest, and darkest, most depressing moments of my life, within minutes of each other.
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#25 Posted : 7/23/2010 11:57:57 PM

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It really doesn't matter which substance you use. It's more about the dosage. A little of anything is ok. A lot of anything is taxing.
 
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#26 Posted : 7/24/2010 12:18:05 AM

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Not over 1.75g of classic Psilocybe cubensis. (shrooms)
My recommendation would be to take it in 2-3 times.
Try a gram 1st and wait for effect to occur. (2-3 hours maybe faster) Then try the other .75g if you feel like you can push a bit more.
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#27 Posted : 7/24/2010 12:31:30 AM

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Caen wrote:
Not over 1.75g of classic Psilocybe cubensis. (shrooms)
My recommendation would be to take it in 2-3 times.
Try a gram 1st and wait for effect to occur. (2-3 hours maybe faster) Then try the other .75g if you feel like you can push a bit more.

Personally I find very little point in redosing mushrooms. If I first eat 2 grams and then want to double the intensity after two hours, it's not as easy as eating 2 more grams. I would have to eat at least 4 grams, totaling 6. My recommendation is to take a dose and stick to it, at least with mushrooms. 1.5-2 grams of decent cubensis is a good first trip, in my opinion.
 
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#28 Posted : 7/24/2010 1:10:49 AM

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Evening Glory wrote:
Caen wrote:
Not over 1.75g of classic Psilocybe cubensis. (shrooms)
My recommendation would be to take it in 2-3 times.
Try a gram 1st and wait for effect to occur. (2-3 hours maybe faster) Then try the other .75g if you feel like you can push a bit more.

Personally I find very little point in redosing mushrooms. If I first eat 2 grams and then want to double the intensity after two hours, it's not as easy as eating 2 more grams. I would have to eat at least 4 grams, totaling 6. My recommendation is to take a dose and stick to it, at least with mushrooms. 1.5-2 grams of decent cubensis is a good first trip, in my opinion.


I recommended it cause it is his 1st time and he probably has no idea what to expect. I agree that the next .75g might be weak compared to taking it all at once, but separating it into 2 phases gives the user more of a controlled setting to his preference. Bottom line, my suggestion was made to the incentive of the user to mingle and enjoy the trip, and to install a control phase to push boundaries if he feels comfortable with the settings. It might be like what people call, "you drive like my grandma" but I just figured I'd give him a full proof situation.
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#29 Posted : 7/24/2010 9:55:11 AM

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Entheojen wrote:
Thanks for all your replies so far. Most people seem to be saying mushrooms, which is what I was actually thinking. Obviously being here on the DMT Nexus, I have a great interest in DMT itself, but am very cautious of such a powerful substance and think I should build myself up to it to make the most of it. I haven't looked too much into mushrooms yet, but I am familiar with the various level definitions.

So to those of you which suggested mushrooms, which level would you suggest going to? I presume the dosages required to experience the various levels will vary according to the individual's physiology and that these levels are more than likely not something than can be accurately 'navigated' to. Again, it's probably down to me and how far into the experience I want to go, but as I've no experience of what any of the side effects feel like, such as breathing walls, colour changing, auditory hallucinations amongst all the other emotional alterations, I am seeking your advice as to how daunting any of the levels' associated side effects are to the newcomer.



You can also 'build up' oral dmt (aya/pharma)

But mushrooms are a nice way to go. My way Very happy If you are going to take the time to learn and grow mushrooms, you might want to start with the truffles.
10g fresh truffles would probably be a nice first introduction to psilocin. They are fairly easy to grow. Will take some time though..

If you are impatient to start exploring, dmt is the way to go.

Anyways, be carefull and do your homework


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#30 Posted : 7/24/2010 7:13:06 PM

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In terms of the whole redosing thing, even for beginners I would either just take a low dose and leave it at that, or take a high dose all at once. I find that redosing makes for a dragged out, boring experience where everything will be bugging, but at the same time it's like, "well, I've seen everything do this all day..."
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#31 Posted : 7/24/2010 7:16:07 PM

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I like redosing because i can move up from a comfortable headspace.
 
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#32 Posted : 7/24/2010 10:15:47 PM

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From personal experience I would recommend a low dose of mushrooms. My intro to psychedelics was with shrooms. Being in the UK we picked Liberty Caps (Psilocybe semilanceata). Eating 25 of these fresh was both a wonderful and gentle introduction to psychedelics.

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#33 Posted : 7/24/2010 11:45:50 PM

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SWIM also agrees in trying Psi Shrooms the first time.
If you're getting from a dealer, try to ascertain the potency by talking to him about a mild trip.

If in the wild, 2g is enough (however, use 1g if Cyanescens type).


SWIM's first experience was on 3g of cubes, and felt like it pleasantly unlocked the mind.
 
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#34 Posted : 7/25/2010 5:45:19 PM

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I suggest Peruvian Torch cactus. Start with 5g to dip your toe in (this will do only a little). Then explore 20g next time. Then 35g. Then perhaps a little more in future once you've researched a bit more and have a good feel for how high you can go.
 
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#35 Posted : 7/25/2010 6:04:46 PM

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I'd say DMT. The thing which gets too much about most psychedelics is the length of hard experiences. DMT no matter how much you smoke (if you smoke it on it's own) wont last anymore than 30 minutes at a maximum. I have found that most people that really don't like the anxiety of psychedelics and hate acid/shrooms/2c's have all loved dmt. without exception.

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#36 Posted : 7/25/2010 9:46:41 PM

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Within my group of friends, I have many friends who love shrooms and acid, but are too scared to try DMT, even though my DMT trips have been the best I've had on any substance.
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#37 Posted : 7/26/2010 2:28:32 AM
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My first was mushrooms. You know what they say: "Don't panic if it's organic". I think there is quite a bit of truth in that. I would just go with about 3 grams of shrooms, that seems like the best way. Don't put too much thought into it, if you expect too much, not much can happen. Go with the flow.
 
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Floz wrote:
My first was mushrooms. You know what they say: "Don't panic if it's organic". I think there is quite a bit of truth in that. I would just go with about 3 grams of shrooms, that seems like the best way. Don't put too much thought into it, if you expect too much, not much can happen. Go with the flow.


With all due respect, I think you may be wrong in suggesting 3 grams of mushrooms, if theyre dried atleast. 3 grams is a hefty amount considering its his first time. I believe in immersion in the experience, and I don't doubt that he would make it out on the other side of the trip. But 3 grams just sounds a little nervewracking for a first time, especially considering individual sensitivity and the range of potency of mushrooms, whether or not he raised them himself.
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#39 Posted : 7/26/2010 8:04:59 AM

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Smoke some ganja, look at the psychedelics. FEEL,
the most appropriate psychedelic will drag your attention.

If you are more leftbrained or you don't believe that this kind of choosing works, take mushrooms first!
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#40 Posted : 7/26/2010 11:36:52 AM

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I also don't agree that nothing bad can happen with 3 grams of mushrooms, as my worst experiences with any psychedelic have been with amounts less than that. In retrospect, most bad trips do result from "not going with the flow," but it's easier said than done, and can take some practice.
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