Recently me and two good friends had really bad experiences with the same sheet of acid, all at different times and places. Is it possible that the acid was bad? If so, how?

What do you mean by bad? Also what kind was it?

3 people having bad experiences is not necessarily a sign the acid was bad, it could have very well been coincidence, set and setting, etc. But yes its possible for example it wasnt even acid, it might have been some DOx or other similar research chemicals.

Can you please include more information when asking the question, as this is too vague.. What is 'bad experience' ? Did you think too much of your own faults, did your thoughts go on loop, did your brain come out through your nose, did the experience last too long, did you see evil skulls in your vision, did your muscles hurt, or what exactly was bad about it? Did your friends have exactly the same 'bad' thing about it or different? How was the setting you 3 consumed ? Did one tell the other about the bad experience before the other tried and had bad experience?

How long did it take to hit and how long was the experience? Did it have a strong taste? What was the drawing on the sheet? How big are the blotter squares? Did you hear of anybody else trying the same sheet?

My friend has had one bad acid experience due to it being from a really unknown source out of state. Who knows what the hell it was, could of been some crap with impurities or something. His legs hurt, heart raced, just felt bad all around.

Well the first person that had the bad experience with it was my ex-girlfriend, who suffered a two month long psychotic episode which had to be treated with anti-psychotics. Then it was me, I took four tabs and had spiraling thoughts, I felt I was insane, I couldn't communicate with my body and then I couldn't even communicate with myself, heart raced - I felt I was dying. This lasted for 4 hours, afterwards it was hard forming sentences or thoughts, going to sleep, or functioning normally. Then one of my friends took five tabs and he went insane in public, took his pants off and started running around, hitting people, and was completely non-responsive. We have all done high doses of LSD before, but it seems a little too much to call them all coincidences. The episode of my ex can be explained a little bit by her past, but me and my friend's experience really can't. It was acid on blotter, no real taste, no drawing (no acid over here ever has drawings.) I would say 1x1cm.

Maybe it wasnt acid?

SWIM once acquired a few sugar cubes which she tried and was extremely happy with. She thought they were as close to the classic good old days acid as they could possibly be. Then she gave them to 2 close friends on 2 different occasions.

In 2 hours one of them spiralled down into a full blown psychotic panic state combined with very high blood pressure and pulse rate 140. It took him almost 8 hours to get back to normal.

Another friend was also OK for 2 hours and then felt nausea and stomach pain. He kept vomiting for almost an hour non-stop. It seems such reactions are not that uncommon. Later swim consumed the remaining cubes and had absolutely fantastic typical acid-like experience. So you see, it is possible to have 3 very different types of reaction to the same substnce.

How fast was the trip onset in all cases? How long it lasted?

Also it is not easy to put enough of substances other tha acid in a blotter.

The onset was normal, what you would expect, 30-45minutes. For me it lasted a little over 12 hours, for my friend over 20hrs.

endlessness, any idea what it could have been that caused this? I get the feeling that the bad effects only set in at high doses.

Over 20 hrs is unusual for acid. Could be a DOx.

There is the real possibility that the acid wasn't acid, but there is the other possiblity that it was acid that was polluted with by-products.
Often you will only notice this 'pollution' in higher doses.

Did you have shallow breathing or sort of heavy breathing as if you've just been running a marathon? Or maybe a somewhat sedated feeling as if your whole trip wasn't real and just a dream? or did you feel sweaty and cold? Those are some of the typical effects you get from high doses of LSA. Badly made (or cleaned) acid has these LSA-like effects sometimes.

I don't really think that's the case...or, more succinctly; I feel that there are enough RC's/other substances that can be put on a blotter so as to make purity/identity a legitimate issue. *shrugs*

Hmm. Just heard from my brother, and he had nausea from taking one hit from that same batch. I've been asking everyone I know that had some from that batch. polytrip: I don't remember heavy breathing, but I did feel pressure in my chest and a very high heartrate. Kind of sucks that you never know what you're really getting..

There are literally dozens of things that are active on blotter paper. Some feel very similar to LSD, some are very different.

SWIM and his friend absolutely cannot get real LSD ever in his area. It’s always an RC. The local LSD dealers are all in jail. The only people making acid in SWIM’s area are using compounds that aren’t as illegal. LSD manufacture can land you in jail for 50 years or so. This is one reason why a lot of acid has RCs on it. RCs don’t get you in nearly as much legal trouble as LSD does.

Dump it down the toiliet

Yeah I got rid of everything I had left, definitely not worth it. 69ron, what you say does make sense, I think I'm just going to give up trying to get decent LSD.. When you say RC's, do you know +/- which ones? I've experimented with 2C-E and 2C-P, both amazing experiences, nothing along the lines of this acid though.

Bad break spira. Good lsd has been few and far in bewteen for swim. When he does come across some he will only buy it from trusted people who already tested it. Gotta be careful out there.

~safe journeys

Hmm this makes me very curious. From your posts it seems like you're from the West Coast where (according to common knowledge, including the DEA's website) most of the LSD (or what's sold as acid) available in the US comes from. So why don't you come across "real LSD"? This just seems puzzling to me, since occasionally what seems to be LSD or very close to LSD occasionally comes around even in my parts. I've had LSD from old-school folks who tell me what they had was just like what was around "back in the day", so I think I'm at least familiar with LSD that's been available recently. What other RC's feel very similar to LSD, except those that are very closely chemically related to it? The only other compounds I've seen confirmed as being sold on blotter are DOB, DOC, and (from someone on here) apparently poisonous atropine. Also according to my research the only LSD manufacturers arrested in the US in the past 30 years or so have been William Pickard and his accomplices (who got life and 30 years, respectively), and Nick Sand (who ultimately lucked out with just 5 years or so, very small considering he was busted with 47 grams of crystalline LSD and a bunch of other stuff). Also according to my research (again directly from the DEA) most of the LSD available is manufactured by a small group or collection of people that have been more or less intact since the 60's; apparently there are also some smaller more local manufacturers, but it seems like these most be few and far between since it would take a lot of organization to get ahold of the ET, solvents, etc. The information you present just doesn't jibe with what I've found. On the other hand, from what Trickster says, perhaps individual biochemistries or mindsets are actually responsible for experiences attributed to "bad acid".

Spira, glad to hear you got rid of whatever it was...indeed someone on here posted coming across what was apparently atropine, sold on blotter and said to be 'acid', at a festival in New York. Such shady activity...

if it were a DOx, i think it would have taken far longer to come on.
i don't have first-hand experience with any DOx's but i understand them to be similar to mescaline in their onset.
2-3 hours not 45 minutes to an hour.

Well I tell ya here on the east coast its around and real and strong. Two will do ya. Its paper with learys face done in a warhol design and a print of multi colored pyramids that have wings and eyeballs. Also another print with music notes on it. Thats three different prints yummy. The crazy thing is I used to get the leary print ten years ago and now it just popped up again. If you can find it I say stock up before its gone again.

Spira.. At this point its all speculation, of course.. But, I think you dimissed too fast the idea that it might have been real acid and you just had bad reaction to it. I mean, you said yourself your gf experience might be explained by her past. Then you two take a substance with the thought on the back of your minds that someone had a psychotic breakdown on that substance, AND you said yourself it wasnt in the best of situations.

No taste and 30-1hr come up are good indications and already eliminate quite a few substances that would fit on a blotter. 12 hours for acid is definitely possible, though the last hours are normally the come down. 20 hours is not the norm, but its not unheard of. One girl friend of mine, when she took acid for the first time, and it was definitely good acid, also had a 20 hours trip. But she's very sensitive and it was her first time. Appart from this experience, what was the longest duration of acid your friend has had before in other occasions?

It could have been acid, it could have been something else, we just dont know. What I do know is, since you 3 had bad experiences and are unsure of the acid purity, even if it was good acid its very possible the next trips would also have been bad, so maybe its better indeed not to consume that again.


By the way, for those that claimed there could have been impurities from "bad" lsd synthesis that affected the acid experience, would you please tell me which substances you claim could be present from the synthesis and show any sources for any analysis that showed any of these substances being present in acid in active amounts?