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I've found that 2C's produce amazing visions, not just visuals. This has been particularly true for a friend and me. At the peak or plateau of a 12-20mg trip, visions become easy. I can think of something and immediately see it with closed eyes, or in complete darkness. I become an artist, painting whatever I want. I can relive memories, fly through the sky, dissect a flower, "go outside of the universe," become an animal, and so much more. Guided meditation is very useful, as I can actually see "the forest path" or "the tree in the field."

Without 2C's or certain psychedelics, my mind has to work very hard to create visuals; it takes time and much effort.

A friend and I plan on making this the purpose of our next trip: visions,
To relive old memories as we describe them to each other,
To go on a journey that we create as we go along,
and, hopefully,
to obtain an OBE, or at least to try to envision lifting out of the body and rising above the room, city, clouds, earth, solar system, reaching outwards as far as we can imagine.

Do you all have other ideas for "visions?" Maybe there is a vision you would like to share? I'd like to keep the visions positive, but envisioning "the world's hungry and dying" may definitely be constructive. Please, I'm looking for input, and y'all are wise people.

Which plant/psychedlic would be best for this?

I've never taken 2-cb, but from what i'm reading here, i'm becoming more and more intrigued by it.

From what i'm reading it seems that it shares some simmilarities with mescaline.

I can think of plenty of interresting things to envision: what about the universal power and shape of love? Or the dimension of size? The endless cycle of the universe?

Hmm as far as visions in the 2C* family go, I hear that 2C-E is the most visual/visionary of them all. Have you tried that?

I've gotten good results with a DMT-cactus combination (smoking DMT after the cactus has taken full effect) by asking "God" to show me "Hir Face" (whatever these terms may mean to you). After loading up ~20-25 mg Spice, the result was absolutely astounding. Millions of faces/eyes of all different varieties flashing behind my eyelids, and what was beauty is that all these forms were coming from the same source. I was blown back by the incredible rate at which they were being produced; the mescaline here definitely dominated for the particular effect, but the DMT seemed to bring it out.

Sounds like you and your friend already have a good idea going; only suggestion that comes to mind is to allow a bit of open-endedness in your vision "requests"; the result might be some very unexpected visions.

Maybe try both old and recent memories: childhood and last month. Contrast how they manifest. See if you can review conversations or other details.

Dreams are another good one. Recall, relive, reshape. If you relive a dream where you were talking to other people, do they feel like they take on the same "otherness" they had during the dream or do you feel like you're watching a movie?

How about visions from sound? When you hear something can you picture what is making the sound? Also, what sorts of abstract visions come from different sounds? You could do this with objects around the house or outside with the environment. Birds in the morning are a great opportunity. I guess music would fit in to this category too, but that's a whole lot of sound.

I haven't had the chance to try any 2c* just yet but am very interested.

SWIM doesn't get "VISIONS" only visuals

But 2c-i was the least visual of the 2c's he's tried (2c-t-2, 2c-b, 2c-e, 2c-i)

Well what's the difference? I suppose visuals are experienced as alterations of the usual visual field (whether open or close-eyed), whereas visions are seen in the "inner eye", and are strictly not alterations of the usual visual field; they're something quite apart. I think most of what people here describe as "Hyperspace" is visionary experience. Does this interpretation seem accurate?

SWIM has has visions a few times. They were clear and meaningful visual stories with entities and events and often communication between him and the visions.
They were all on pharma or smoked DMT

99% of SWIM's CEVs are random assortments of shapes and pattern and at higher doses figures or objects.


SWIM has quite a-typical results to psychedelics sometimes though. He gets no positive effects from opiates or MDMA and no euphoria from dissociatives like ketamine, GHB, DXM, nitrous or alcohol. He gets terrible paranoia on even low doses of weed despite having tons of experience with much more intense substances.


The main point of the post was the second line though...

I'm limited to 2cb which was first brought across to me as a party style "candy flip" drug. As it turns out it was far more profound than that, for me anyways. "If I was to cease to exist now, it would not be of my concern. For to be a part of this beautiful complex world is as great an honour yada yada and so forth..." sound farmiliar?

2C-E is probably the last of the unexplored that is calling me the loudest. Someday hopefully.

Hmm same happened with me. My first 2c-b experiences were in the form of brominated chocolates that clearly were shaped and intended to be used as "party drugs", coming through quite a shady channel as I later discovered. A lot of people (myself included) seem to report that 2c-b gives/brings out great appreciation for the elders - Shulgin, etc., and people from way long ago - who cleared the way for us to have these experiences; I also felt the "honour yada yada" you describe.

Anyways. No experience with 2c-i or the 2c's apart from -b (hopefully get a chance to hook up with -e and -t-2 soon if The Gods allow) so unlike q21q21 I can't recommended which ones might be well suited for your plans. OP: do you have experience with mescaline/cactus? These two are of course well known for their visionary properties...

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Yes, 2C-E seems to be the most "visionary" of all the 2c's I've tried. I've gotten a hold of c,d,e,i,and p. I have found 2c-i to be "visionary" on large doses, above 16-20mg. The CEVs and OEVs are very overt, but not dream-like until the high dosage is reached. I just get patterns, colors, maybe life-like figures, pictures, cartoons, etc. on low doses. I haven't messed with 2c-p enough to say whether p would be good for a "vision quest" as I described. The dosage of 2c-c and 2c-d seems to be too high to use for visions. You can easily get CEVs such as fractals, shapes, colors, patterns, figures, life-like imagery with just low doses. I am aiming for the "day-dream" vision, not simple visuals. I am aiming for landscapes, entities, a journey, memories, or something similar to a dream or day-dream.

Mescaline and cactus could be used, but the dosage required is high, as well. Also, mesacline/cactus is more expensive and labor intensive for me to obtain compared to 2c-e. PEAs produce CEVs that are very easily for me to control.

For me, salvia, tryptamines, and lsd seem to produce visuals and visions that I have very little control over. The visions may be realistic and vivid, but they seem to be out of my control. I have not tried ayahuasca or spice, so I have no input concerning them.

Thanks so much for your input people. You all are awesome!

and 2c-t-7 ?

Visions of my own divine blue prints, its funny though because as a blue print they are seperated into parts, arms, face and such.
Visions of my crown chakra that blasted past my closed eyes as they opened and onto the wall in front of me

TO SEE I

On a high dose of 2C-I in combination of bk-mdma. I and a friend saw a real spider, a large one. I killed it rather quickly, but she and I kept "seeing" spiders. Not closed-eye, but open-eye spiders. Like out of the corner of the eye, or moving so fast you couldn't catch them in your sight. It wasn't enough to call the loony bin, but definitely noted.

We have these wood or huntsman spiders. I saw two before that night. I had a dream about about killing a spider the size of my hand the other night. I saw one, today, which made me want to post. These guys are following me, or I'm looking for them. I don't really have a fear of spiders, but man, I can't seem to get away from them!

not the "visions" I was going for

Spider means good luck, at least where i'm coming from.

A spider in your place means that it is warm enough and dry enough for decent living. They're also predator insects and do their part against mosquitos. I usually don't bother the spiders at my place unless they decide to take over!

swim wants to try 2ci with some lsd how is this mix???

Why would you kill a spider....
Read
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, by philip k dick.
This just reminded me of it perfectly.

One of my first deem trips I was over and I was walking back through the woods when I came across a spider suspended on nothing. (seriously for having the crystal clear candy vision of deem comedown i looked all around my little friend and he was on nothing)

They hold the universe or at least our world together with their web, places where the conscious of being may cause fissures and cracks in this Here. There is a reason their web is the strongest material in the world. They pull tiny wholes in the divine, leaving that tube of energy connecting One to another.
But thats just what i believe

It was a simple gut, knee-jerk reaction. I saw my friend freak and point her finger at a huge spider crawling towards her. I didn't even think about it much, just grabbed the first thing I could and killed it. The whole process was over in a matter of seconds. I'm not one to go around killing every spider I find. This was an impulse. But, it does show how little I care about the life of spiders, how little I value the creepy crawly things.

Last good camping trip I had I killed 3 black widows, throughout the night, looking for wood. BUT, I found 2 or 3 dozen wolf spiders that I let be. It was amazing how the eyes of the spiders shimmer from the reflection of an LED light, like diamonds. I would see a sparkle under a log from 10 feet away and know for certain that it was a wolf spider. Once I found one, I started looking for them. The "sparkle" was amazing and easily seen from 6-10 feet away.

It's an ethical thing. I don't go around kicking babies, but if a spider scares me badly enough, then I will kill it. If a spider doesn't initially scare the crap out of me, then it will normally live another day. The poisonous ones, I kill no matter what.

So far I have only tested 13mg 2ci with no visions. Upping dose next time to 20mg. I found a site which sells only 2ci and 2ce. Nice to have the internet, isn't it ?